You're Hired!: The New World Of Hiring Nurses?? - page 2

I was reading another thread and related to this topic. It seems as though the days of graduating from nursing school and easily finding a job in any speciality (or one of your choice) are long... Read More

  1. Visit  sauconyrunner} profile page
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    I have had to do behavioral interviews since 2002 or so, so it is not new. It is probably just new to you. While it surely is not the best way to find a good candidate, (I mean for heavens sake, before one for a travel position, I got the hospitals "mission statement" and code of conduct and quoted it liberally, I got the job easily.) it is a technique that is being used. It is unfortunate that the Nursing schools have not kept up with this trend, as there are ways to simply ace these tests, and they can be taught. When in my masters program (not in nursing, eh?) I had a class on interviewing. They taught us the exact clothing to wear, what to say not to say, how to prepare a resume, and how to prepare for multiple types of behavioral interviews- as well as how to inquire if Behavioral interviewing was being used. While it isn't nursing, one of the goals of nursing programs is that their people gain employment. Yes, it's too bad we have to jump through lots of hoops, but it bothers me even more that the people aren't being prepared to do it.

    A few recent grads have posted that they were also horrified to find out they had to take a medications dosage test- this shows me that they aren't being helped to know what is typical for an interview...
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  3. Visit  RNsRWe} profile page
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    Quote from netglow
    ...."I can't comment on that due to the fact that you failed to communicate to me both the existence of a test and then subsequently my score..."

    And interview over in 3....2.....1. You're outta there. Pointing out an interviewer's perceived shortcomings during the interview is a good way to end it fast and completely.

    Look we all know the interview process is a waste of everybody's time. Why have little tests? Keep it simple stupid.
    If it really WERE that simple. It isn't. Managing a nursing staff isn't just about finding a "good nurse". It's also about finding a great employee. You don't just drop a "good nurse" into the mix when there is so much else to consider in how well that person will mesh with the rest of the team, and whether that person would be considered for long-term employment (and, therefore, long-term investment in time and expense).

    When there are so many to choose from, why should the employer limit himself/herself in determining who DOES have the best interpersonal skills, the best reaction time, poise, professional demeanor, and so on?
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  4. Visit  Annewr} profile page
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    Wow, I have never been through this particular type of "grind" before. However, I am experiencing the nepotism thing at my current job. It seems as though all the managerial staff are people our management, ( I am deliberately being cagey here in case they recog. me ), worked with in her last couple of jobs. Never mind that their experience is less current or no where near as comprehensive as mine is. And I like these ladies. However, I have been advised that since I am not of the "twin-set and pearls" category of people, I will likely not advance. (This was expressed to me by peers, not the above-mentioned "Talbot's-crew"). This must be a joke, that I am sporty and not girly and my kids are 4 legged and don't go to school with hers. Give me a break. But, jeez, you are right. Non-conformists need not apply...
    Last edit by Annewr on Aug 29, '12 : Reason: incorrect use of parentheses
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  5. Visit  Annewr} profile page
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    This reply is totally on the money, starting with "influential few, and ending with, "have to deal with it as well."! I am really becoming concerned that nursing managers aren't getting enough of the right-type of training that will help them to suppress some of the less positive behaviors that are instinctual to females. I have only had one male nursing manager in 17 years....

    Posted in response to SamAdams8-this is what happens when you type in the dark, sorry
    Last edit by Annewr on Aug 29, '12 : Reason: posted to wrong reply
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  6. Visit  hiddencatRN} profile page
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    Quote from All4NursingRN
    It seems as though the days of graduating from nursing school and easily finding a job in any speciality (or one of your choice) are long gone.
    Well, yeah. It's been a rough job market for new grads for years now. It actually seems like it's getting ever so slightly better.

    Quote from All4NursingRN
    Little did I know that I was being scored and gauged all throught these processess.
    Why would you not think they were interested in your scores on those personality tests? Or, at the very least, judged?

    Quote from All4NursingRN
    By the time I got to my second and last interview, the first question out of the director's mouth was why I scored low on interpersonal relationships (or something to that effect)
    *SNIP*
    Secondly what answer could I provide her?
    "I'm surprised at that result. I consider myself to have great interpersonal skills, and frequently use those skills to successfully resolve conflicts at work, such as the time (USING COMMUNICATION SKILLS TO SOLVE A CONFLICT EXAMPLE)."


    Quote from All4NursingRN
    It seems as though they are using all these qualitative tests to weed out the worst when in fact I believe they only fail to measure what is truly important in a candidate and fail to highlight potentially great candidates.

    There is no test out there that can give you the best candidate.
    I agree, but this is the game now. Interviewing is always about playing the game, and before personality tests there were other "tests" and expected responses from interviewees.

    Quote from All4NursingRN
    Employers are going to have to fess up to taking a risk, the same risk that prospective employees takes when they accept a new position. It may or may not be the right fit.
    I'm confused...what risk are they "fessing up" to taking? The screening and personality tests are supposed to reduce risk of hiring bad fits.


    I hate the personality tests. They're annoying, it's clear most of the time what the "right" answers are so I think it's more of a test of how savvy you are rather than how good of a fit you'll be. I used to work in the hiring office of a temp agency and those behavioral tests were actually in part "honesty" tests- too perfect of a score and you actually failed because you were likely a colossal liar.

    But that's where we are right now. I had to take a long personality test at one of the places I work per diem and know the reason I got in to the interview portion was because of my performance on that screening test. That interview you had, I think they must have really been interested in you to interview you despite your low performance in one portion of that test- it sounds like they wanted to give you the opportunity to prove that score to be a fluke and not an accurate reflection of your personality.
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  7. Visit  hiddencatRN} profile page
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    Quote from sauconyrunner
    (I mean for heavens sake, before one for a travel position, I got the hospitals "mission statement" and code of conduct and quoted it liberally, I got the job easily.)
    This is a technique I've used with great success. Hospital stresses patient satisfaction? I am ALL ABOUT customer service. Hospital sees itself as part of the community? I talk about service and caring for patients like they are my family. Etc etc.
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  8. Visit  hope3456} profile page
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    Great post Summitt! You hit the nail on the head. But in the end the nurse manager will most likely find a way to get her friends daughter or some other 'favorite' hired if she wants too.
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  9. Visit  dudette10} profile page
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    The interview process that is currently used by many hospitals--personality test, HR screening, interview with NM--is a complete joke. All it takes to know this is by looking around at your coworkers. Some are lazy, some have anger management issues, some are push-overs, some are team players, some love their jobs, some hate their jobs. How can the same process create a team that is so different?

    Hiring really is a crapshoot, but the personality tests aren't the answer to creating a good team. Good leadership is.
  10. Visit  paradiseboundRN} profile page
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    Those personality tests are ridiculous. First they have you agree to be totally honest. Then, you take the test and its painfully obvious what the "right" answer is. So am I going to be honest or try to get this job? You'll notice that the test will keep asking the same questions over and over but worded a different way, so maybe you'll trip up and admit that occasionally you do get angry or stressed!
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  11. Visit  ProfRN4} profile page
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    This is not just happening in nursing. It's happening with all customer service jobs. My hubby has had to complete endless personality tests like these online, as part of the job application. Pages and pages of "what would you do", and "Do you prefer workin with people, or prefer working for people" type of questions. Sometimes they ask the same question again, 5 pages later! It is painful. I agree, it is a weeding out process, to test your endurance and willingness to try hard to get the job. It is what it is, and as long as it is am employers market, they will use more and more tools like this to tighten up the applicant pool.
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  12. Visit  netglow} profile page
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    Quote from dudette10
    The interview process that is currently used by many hospitals--personality test, HR screening, interview with NM--is a complete joke. All it takes to know this is by looking around at your coworkers. Some are lazy, some have anger management issues, some are push-overs, some are team players, some love their jobs, some hate their jobs. How can the same process create a team that is so different?

    Hiring really is a crapshoot, but the personality tests aren't the answer to creating a good team. Good leadership is.
    Exactly.
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  13. Visit  Marshall1} profile page
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    The new hiring process is peppered w/MBA professionals who have little, if any, healthcare knowledge and do not understand, appreciate or realize that someone can score high in being a team player with an infectious smile and cheer leading spirit but is unable to correctly calculate a critical drip, place an IV or falls apart during a code. The new process is unnecessary, exhausting and yes, I'm venting...many comments on other threads here are about just this..the multiple phone, in person, panel interviews, the online math tests which are NOT related to nursing but to how far Bob is going when Rachel leaves Dallas and the apples, some green and some red, are eaten by a lone worm which somehow calculates into miles per hour..seriously, it's stupid, a waste of time and money. Nurses, some anyway, one I know for sure, was unable to continue in a process fora job that she really wanted and would've worked well for her family because she couldn't take any more sick or vacation days to continue to her 4th interview because then she would have to "shadow" for a shift - her own time, then, after the 4th interview - which was panel - then shadowing - she would know if she was "lucky" enough to be selected - though she has been a nurse for 17 yrs and has certifications a mile long. This isn't about hiring the best of the best..it's becoming a situation of being able to answer the "keys" questions correctly - whether you feel that way or not.
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  14. Visit  kcmylorn} profile page
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    The Nursing hiring managers do like"tools"


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