personality tests??? - page 2

I applied at St. Lukes in houston for an ICU job. They said they were needing nurses badly. When I applied they had me take a "survey" which actually was a personality test of some sort. It asked the... Read More

  1. by   gauge14iv
    Quote from Black Cloud
    Etc Etc

    To pay a complete fee each time to retake the exam, many future Nurses run out of funds or get so discouraged, they give up. Now, the education they received in college to be a Nurse means nothing. The diploma earned is no more than a piece of paper and they are stuck paying back the student loans. This fact definitely contributes to the nursing shortage.

    Etc Etc
    Do you think there are no administrative costs associated with these tests and licenses and these companies or taxpayers are supposed to do this for free? People have to be paid to process your paperwork, each time you take the test. Nobody volunteers to do this for free. Do you think a nursing license is a right and not a privilege?

    And now - back to the actual topic - personality profiles
  2. by   catlady
    Quote from gauge14iv

    And now - back to the actual topic - personality profiles
    OLD THREAD ALERT!!! Seven year old thread, folks.
  3. by   SilentfadesRPA
    I am totally in agreement with BLUEBOYJ -- if you did not consent then this was diagnostic tool and you had an assessment done ie diagnosis.
    I would be in an attorneys office Monday morning.

    Whatever you decide know this is not about you. As another poster has have said wisely do not want to work for someone who is so unethical from the very beginning ?

    I sincerely wish you all the best in your professional like and this decision.


    Marc

    PS Catlady you are something -- LOL I never even noted the date of this being 7 years OLD Thanks. Well I would have been in an attorneys office seven years ago on a Monday morning lol lol
    Last edit by SilentfadesRPA on Jul 22, '06
  4. by   catlady
    Quote from silentfades
    I am totally in agreement with BLUEBOYJ -- if you did not consent then this was diagnostic tool and you had an assessment done ie diagnosis.
    I would be in an attorneys office Monday morning.

    Whatever you decide know this is not about you. As another poster has have said wisely do not want to work for someone who is so unethical from the very beginning ?

    I sincerely wish you all the best in your professional like and this decision.


    Marc

    PS Catlady you are something -- LOL I never even noted the date of this being 7 years OLD Thanks. Well I would have been in an attorneys office seven years ago on a Monday morning lol lol
    Yes, I am something. As opposed to what? Nothing? :angryfire

    You do know that the OP hasn't posted in four years, and the second poster whom you reference hasn't posted in seven. What are the odds that they're reading you right now?

    Something worth saying is worth starting a new thread, rather than recycling old stuff. I'm not the only one who puts up old thread alerts.
  5. by   gauge14iv
    Re Old Threads was personality profiles then ...

    So what if a thread is old? If someone posts something on a thread today - it shows up in the new posts listing - which is how many of us view the forums. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's worthless. Why start a new thread just to repeat whats already been said anyway? Aren't all sticky's essentially old threads? No need to be '"catty" about it.

    All the "Old thread alert" does is post it BACK at the top of the new posts again, thereby continuing the old thread with newer posts.

    It appears what happened here, is someone with an agenda for getting to repeat his NCLEX for free searched threads for the word "TEST" and then posted his spam in them without really reading the thread or looking at the date. Eh. no biggie.

    So what about those personality profiles?
  6. by   SilentfadesRPA
    Quote from catlady
    yes, i am something. as opposed to what? nothing? :angryfire

    you do know that the op hasn't posted in four years, and the second poster whom you reference hasn't posted in seven. what are the odds that they're reading you right now?

    something worth saying is worth starting a new thread, rather than recycling old stuff. i'm not the only one who puts up old thread alerts.
    dear catlady

    no no no i am in shock -- and apoligize to you catlady
    i sincerely did not mean any rudeness in my post. it was to compliment you in that your something and the only person to note that this thread was a long time ago. i thought your brilliant to note that and that here i responded along with others with out noting that ---

    'you do know that the op hasn't posted in four years, and the second poster whom you reference hasn't posted in seven. what are the odds that they're reading you right now?

    something worth saying is worth starting a new thread, rather than recycling old stuff. i'm not the only one who puts up old thread alerts.'

    i did not realize what you so wisely noted about the post of four years ago and the other of 7 years ago. honestly i did not note that -- it was a mistake that i did not. there was no intention to belittle or to sound badly toward you at all.

    that is why i said your something -- compared to the rest of us (me) who never noted that. perhaps i should have said your something special.

    i am sorry that you took it offensive when it truly was meant to be totally complimentary. i am sorry and feel like a idiot.
    i have never insulted anyone on this board and surely didnt mean to here.

    please accept this explaination

    sincerly,

    marc
    Last edit by SilentfadesRPA on Jul 22, '06
  7. by   banditrn
    Quote from catlady
    Yes, I am something. As opposed to what? Nothing? :angryfire

    You do know that the OP hasn't posted in four years, and the second poster whom you reference hasn't posted in seven. What are the odds that they're reading you right now?

    Something worth saying is worth starting a new thread, rather than recycling old stuff. I'm not the only one who puts up old thread alerts.
    Catlady - I read it as kind of a compliment to you too, so was kinda surprised at your response.
  8. by   control
    Quote from wildcat
    Personality tests are as common as reference checks. While I was an undergrad working on my BSN I took a course in Behavioral Research(as part of my BA in Psychology). First off you did not "fail" the test. The test merely assesed your personality type. The test you took was probably a water down version of the Myers-Briggs test. Don't get down on yourself if they did not hire you. They could have just used your results as an excuse not to hire you. But who knows. As for the legality of the test, it is legal. You had the choice to refuse the "survey" at the time it was administered. To answer your question about the repetiveness of the "survey," questions are asked multiple times for validation. If you are inconsistent the test results will reflect it and in fact asseses another trait. If you would like to know your personality type there are many online tests, for example http://www.outofservice.com/you / or http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/H...561/index.html
    Your personality type can change over time and day to day for arguments sake. But, you can take a test off one of thes e sites to find out what type of person you are. I can even help you interprit your results if you email them to me.
    Thank you for posting; it's kind of disarming that someone would get a lawyer after applying for a job and submitting to a personality test.
  9. by   Black Cloud
    Quote from gauge14iv
    Do you think there are no administrative costs associated with these tests and licenses and these companies or taxpayers are supposed to do this for free? People have to be paid to process your paperwork, each time you take the test. Nobody volunteers to do this for free. Do you think a nursing license is a right and not a privilege?

    And now - back to the actual topic - personality profiles
    Research Findlaw on the Supreme Court Rulings on License, then you can tell me if it's a right or privilege. You still must think its a privilege to travel in a auto, but then again you have a birth certificate, like certificate of title and who has possession of your auto and YOU.Do you know who owns you, they maybe.
  10. by   control
    Quote from wildcat
    IT IS VERY LEGAL. On the "survey" you took I'm sure your signature was required and that your signature verified that you took the "survey" of your own free will.
    Exactly! Thanks for posting.
  11. by   Black Cloud
    NCLEX its all about the money
  12. by   Black Cloud
    Quote from control
    Exactly! Thanks for posting.
    Fraud makes a contract VOID.....non disclosure of all of the parts of a contract is a fraud....get a Blacks Law 20.00 bucks,go back into a old dictionary find out who you really are, not a person, it denotes a corporation, without a soul.Loss of rights!
  13. by   SilentfadesRPA
    IMHO a personality test is a diagnostic tool interpeted by a psychologist.

    When one is in the process of an application I could see this as a situation of duress and not truly informed consent.

    Had the employer explained prior to the application process that this would be done different story.

    Of course it is the employers right to administer a test however it all depends on certain criteria ie a lie detector test here in NY is illegal for an employer to administrate to a potential employee or a person already employed.

    However if informed consent is not signed for and all the reprecussions as well as benifits not explained and a copy of said test results given then I think legal remedy is to be considered.


    It cost this person a job -- were they explained what test it was who graded it, how it was graded, what was the final diagnoisis, was a referal done since they found some pathology or problem with her/his personality and that she could have a copy of the results?

    To me if they acted reasonably then there would be no pursuit of this however from the OP I did not think reasonable nor prudent actions were done.

    When someone has damages done and thier basic rights violated in such a way as the OP said I think they need advice. For the very least to let the employer know that they are treading on thin ice -- sometimes that may take a letter from an attorney and not just the applicant who in the employers view failed one of thier test.

    Marc
    Last edit by SilentfadesRPA on Jul 22, '06

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