Fired After Fifty: Redux - page 2
by VivaLasViejas Guide
Several years ago when I was laid off from my LTC job due to low census, I remember despairing of ever finding another job. I was in my early fifties then. At the time I had a bad knee that had ended my floor career despite... Read More
- 2May 17, '13 by Ginger's MomDoes the unemployment office offer career counseling? Second have you considered disability? did your last job have disability insurance?
case management is dealing with paper work, that is something viva expressed dislike.
home health, hospice, public health, school nurse would be good choices. Also drug rehab.
you wrote recently about critical care, you seemed to enjoy that why not return to that?
- 5May 17, '13 by ParkerBeanCurdRN,BSNReading these stories really tick me off. I understand the concept of potential higher insurance premiums because of claims, or perhaps loss time related to illness, or even work productivity concerns. I also understand that facilities must pay higher wages because of experience. However, experience is of value too. I am not going to get into the BSN versus ASN debate, but I am willing to bet that nurses with 20 years of experience demonstrate better patient outcomes than a nurse with 3-5 years of experience. I am 37 years old. My mother was 49 when she gave birth to me. So, my siblings are of the baby boomer generation. Let me say there is a huge difference in work ethic among the generations. How much money does the facility lose in regards to call offs? Where I work, a nurse who worked for the facility for 34 years was let go; the reason cited was errors in the electronic EMAR. This was in the works for months. They knew they were going to let her go. She worked over when they asked. She changed her schedule when asked. They lost a really good nurse; a highly valuable one. I spoke to her about two weeks ago. She is now working for one of our competitors.
Viva, I am sorry this happened to you. I don’t understand management’s logic at times. Look into home health or hospice. I have never worked in the specialty, but I would venture to say it is less stressful and not as hard on the body. Nursing education may be another area. Good luck to you…and I will be sending prayers your way.
- 5Sadly age discrimination isn't just limited to the nursing profession in this recent downturn, but everyone >50 or even >40 is feeling the effects. PBS recently did a series of great pieces on this and the stories/interviews broke my heart. Long-term Unemployment: Is This Blatant Age Discrimination? | PBS NewsHour
For many once you reach 45 or so there is a target on your back and when a business is looking to do layoffs, guess who is first in line? Worse even though both the employer and employee *know* the real deal the former will threaten to withhold severance packages unless the latter signs papers agreeing *NOT* to sue them for any sort of discrimination including age.
It should come as no surprise that it has recently been reported there has been a huge increase in the numbers of suicides of middle aged persons, especially men.
Where is the leadership on this issue? This current administration and Democrats are getting so wrapped up in other social issues what about the vast numbers of "middle aged" and above Americans that are rapidly sinking into poverty for unemployment? These persons want to work and are willing to even take small wage cuts to make it happen. However time and time again they cannot get a foot past the door or more accurately get beyond computer submitted applications. Even if by some miracle some are able to outwit the parameters of computer screening and get a few telephone interviews, once they show up in person that once promising voice changes. It becomes obvious the recruiter or whomever was expecting a *younger* person and things slowly go south afterwards.
- 2May 17, '13 by pfchangI am 59 and have been looking for a job since January. I might check into insurance companies like Aetna, Wellpoint, Cigna, etc. All are expanding case mgmt, care coordination, disease management, telephonic services, etc., for members. I haven't worked in LTC but is there a particular EMR that your facility used? You may be able to train or support users. Contact the companies that had products your facility used. Wound care, etc. I will say that everything takes a long time to move ahead even when you are being considered for the position. I have a few in the works and just wish someone would get off the pot. Seems like one ends up in a black hole with no feedback But stay positive. Good luck to you.
- 5Ageism and or anti-seniority in nursing is not new, and seems to come in cycles.
Those around long enough in the profession remember when the managed care craze hit during the 1970's and 1980's if not a bit beyond.
Suddenly scores of senior nurses from staff to management and administration were got shot of for no other reason than they were expensive. Why? Because they committed the cardinal sin of having stuck with the profession (often at the same facility) and were at the top of their pay grade. Mind you we are not speaking of today's wages at >75K in some areas, indeed you were lucky to be pulling $35K as a floor nurse with decades of experience here in NYC, but because of all those years you had a pretty decent wage/benefit package thus were "expensive" and had to go.
Positions were either outright cut or morphed into what we see today. Head nurses and their assistant positions were largely eliminated, supervisor numbers were often reduced and those that remained covered a larger territory, and so forth.
Voices were raised against this madness but in the great name of cost cutting and the supposed resulting benefits were largely ignored. And what many predicted would happened, did. With so many senior and or experienced nurses now gone the ranks of nurse educators plummeted for it was from those nurses a bulk of instructors/professors came. Indeed the whole nursing shortage of the 1990's can in large part be attributed to the same reasons including the lack of nurse educators.
The other shoe fell when all those senior nurses were replaced with new grads (often at lower pay rates), many of whom quite frankly were in over their heads. Without experienced nurses to orientate and train these new nurses error rates began shooting up. Boots on the ground nurses warned about this, but again they were rebuffed.
Every pundit today keeps saying the same thing "why don't these "older" nurses retire and make room for new grads who need jobs? Well if you knew that the steady gig you currently have may be your last if you jump ship, would you leave?
Everyone I know >40 is hunkering down to work as much and as hard as possible to get themselves financially correct for now and any potential future *problems*.
- 3Quote from RN1253Am not as old as you but still far enough along to remember the "old" way of job hunting/interviews which makes today's methods of screening difficult.I am 59 and have been looking for a job since January. I might check into insurance companies like Aetna, Wellpoint, Cigna, etc. All are expanding case mgmt, care coordination, disease management, telephonic services, etc., for members. I haven't worked in LTC but is there a particular EMR that your facility used? You may be able to train or support users. Contact the companies that had products your facility used. Wound care, etc. I will say that everything takes a long time to move ahead even when you are being considered for the position. I have a few in the works and just wish someone would get off the pot. Seems like one ends up in a black hole with no feedback But stay positive. Good luck to you.
Back in the day you answered an advertisement or by whatever method got into personnel/hiring office for at least an initial interview with a real HR person. There you could shine (or not, *LOL*) and state your case. From there the ball would get rolling to send you on interviews to whomever was hiring for that particular department/job in question. Often even if the initial spot one wanted was taken or was turned down for the HR person (if they liked you) would keep on plugging until they found you something.
Today of course real HR persons are few and far between. Initial layers of screening are done by computers and most recruitment has been farmed out. These people are told to find "X" which often translates into "we want this or that person but not *that* person". If you are *that* person who does not fit the set parameters you might as well be dealing with a wall of bricks.