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No. 40
Old Oct 24, 2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by crimson and clover View Post
Well, I just got a letter from my former employer summarizing their reasons for reporting me to the BON. They say that I can respond to the accusations within 14 days or they will decide independently whether or not to report me. I am afraid to make any further contact with them and fear that I may need legal advice at this point. I just got my license in February of this year! Anyone have any thoughts/advice?
And on top of it all, my baby is due any day now!
Yes. You get a lawyer NOW and let him take care of this.
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No. 41
Old Oct 25, 2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie View Post
If you come to an agreement with your employer to amicably part company, I would suggest immediately requesting a reference letter (written on hospital letterhead and co-signed by your manager and HR) to take with you. That way, you can bring the original to future interviews, allow the interviewer to copy it for your file, and have no reason to think that your former employer will try to screw you over by labeling you "ineligible for re-hire."
Jolie, I respect your advice above, and hope you can provide me with some insight on my situation. My manager has been building a case on me, and fortunately I never made any serious medical errors. But I knew it was time to go, so I emailed my resignation in hopes of preserving my "eligible for re-hire" status. My manager responded with the following: "I believe that you will find the right fit for you. You are intelligent, compassionate, and want to do the "right" thing. Please stay positive and the right match will come. Let me know if I can be of help."

Should I respond with a request for a reference letter? How should it be worded? Is the manager serious about wanting to help? What if I request a letter and she blows me off? I'm not good in dealing with this type of thing, so your advice is much appreciated. Thank you!
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No. 42
from Scrubby
Old Nov 28, 2008, 02:02 AM
Updated Nov 28, 2008 at 02:20 AM by Scrubby

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Hmmmm I agree that your nurse manager has acted quite unprofessionally by asking you about the pregnancy etc and sabotage.

But I'm actually quite concerned about the number of med errors you have made in just six months of nursing. From reading your post it sounds like you made quite a few in a relatively short period of time. Now I don't want to appear overly harsh because I'm not perfect and nobody is but IMHO the best thing you can do for yourself is to seek further education about administering meds to improve upon your knowledge deficit. Find out if there are any courses in your area on medications, look through pharmacology books, there are some excellent pocket nurses guide to drugs as well.

And if your asked at this meeting about why these errors occured, don't just blame everyone and say 'i had no education, was short staffed, not feeling well that day' etc, because that will go against you, they'll just see you as unwilling to take responsibility for your actions and you will lose all credibility. As an RN you can't just shift the blame like that, you have to take full responsibility for everything you do.

I hope it all goes well for you, hope your baby is well.
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No. 43
from Magsulfate
Old Nov 28, 2008, 04:46 AM

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The email she sent does sound a little weird, considering all the information you gave us. What happened? Did you ever email her back and ask for a reference?

You're probably busy taking care of your baby now, how is your baby? Please update us... congratulations!
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No. 44
Old Dec 11, 2008, 08:41 PM

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My attorney also advised that I seek continuing education in order to show that I am learning from my mistakes. So I have been doing courses online about medication safety. I do believe that I was poorly trained in addition to a knowledge deficit. I had my baby November 10 and he is perfect. It stinks to have to think about these things right now but my facility has submitted their complaint to the board and they are currently investigating.
Also, my attorney ended up agreeing with me wholeheartedly on the pregnancy discrimination and so I have filed a formal complaint on that.
So, that's where things stand right now. Hopefully I won't hear from the board until I am feeling comfortable with the baby and ready to deal with them!
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No. 45
Old Dec 11, 2008, 09:16 PM

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COngrats on a healthy son!

Keep us posted on the rest. Glad you got a lawyer.
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No. 46
from kids
Old Jan 05, 2009, 01:01 AM

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You've been a "difficult" employee almost from day one.
In 6 months you've made 3 med errors, 2 errors of basic procedure and another that you didn't identify as being a med or procedural error.
Yes, your NM made some very distasteful comments (that I assume were unwitnessed) but that is not going to bear any weight against her black and white documentation of poor performance.

Also, don't believe your coworkers that they gave positive feedback about you to your NM, the reality is no one will tell the truth if they have given negative feedback because they don't want to deal with the drama and having to work with someone in that situation.
And I realize you got a good 3 month review but consider it was given after you accused her of making a hostile work environment. That review effectively removed any claim you have that the environment was hostile or she was out to get you and is something many a smart manager will do.

I'll be honest, If you worked for my employer...they would view you as a safety concern and the union would support their decision to terminate you.
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No. 47
Old Jan 07, 2009, 06:46 PM

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Not to continue to be "difficult", but what about the fact that my NM DID create a hostile environment for me from day one (as she knew of my pregnancy)? Further, why was I trained differently than other newly hired staff? True, I made errors and was "difficult" to accomodate due to pregnancy related complications. Also, I agree that a new grad who is poorly trained is absolutely a safety risk. I am sure that I will never be in that situation again, partly because I am no longer pregnant, but also because if there ever was another time that I felt I was being discriminated against, I would get the hell out of the facility before they have the chance to go after me personally because I refused to give up and just quit.
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No. 48
from ghillbert
Old Jan 07, 2009, 07:01 PM

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Just to add, I'm coming in late because I haven't seen this post before. First off, congrats on your new son!

Sounds like the NM was a nightmare, and I understand that you've accepted and learned from your mistakes...BUT:

I too am concerned that you made multiple errors. I DO consider some of them "serious medical errors" although you do not appear to. It is definitely the facility's responsibility to train you properly HOWEVER... it is YOUR responsibility to protect your license by making yourself aware of your employer's policies and procedures and following them. Ignorance or poor training is NOT a defense in these cases.


You do sound like a person who accepts responsibility for your actions both good and bad, and we need more people like you in nursing. Continue to educate yourself, and hopefully you find a ward that is a great fit for you, with a supportive environment in which to learn.
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No. 49
Old Jan 07, 2009, 07:18 PM

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First I am glad you have a lawyer. Second the lawyer gave you great advice about taking courses about medication management. Follow up on that. I know that that there are two sides to every story but I think that fact you are working on those issues shows me you a nurse I would like to work with.

Enjoy your baby! Look for a job that is family friendly. You don't want to feel pressure everytime you kid doesn't feel well. These places may not pay the best but the piece of mind is priceless.

Hopefully the board will see this a nuisance complaint, the only thing that would make me crazy is paying a lawyer ( which you have to do).
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