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On my shift today I snowed a patient, badly. I gave a PRN dose of medication based on patient's subjective rating of some symptoms. The patient was aware, alert, and oriented but a little drowsy. The dose was correct and based on the physician's orders, which were very reasonable. There were two medications to be used: one for pain and anxiety, both oral agents. Even though the patient was a little drowsy, they were rating both very high (10/10). I gave one medication first, and then waited an hour and gave another medication next. When I re-assessed them about 30-40 minutes later, their respiration rate was very low and we needed to institute a critical response team.

The patient was fine in the end, but I felt horrible. I felt like I had made a bad judgement call. I shouldn't have given so much medication when the patient was already drowsy. I always do a neuro score before administering pain medicine. Also, looking back, the patient was at risk for becoming over-medicated because of age and diagnosis. I have had many times a drowsy patient tell me their pain was 10/10 and given IVP medications, but never had this happen. The doctor told me "This is what sometimes happens when you rely on subjective scores." I feel like a fool as other nurses were pulled to help with this situation. It makes me question my ability as a nurse and my critical thinking skills.

Specializes in PCCN.
We had to narcan her and when her am labs came back, she had a creatinine of almost 4..

Sounds like something more was going on with your pt also.. Don't beat yourself up too much, these things do happen.

My first thought was "is this pt renal ?"

Specializes in Trauma Surgical ICU.
It doesn't support snowing of patients.

The OP didn't set out to "snow" the pt.. If the medication she gave was ordered, appropriate and within range, she did nothing wrong. She spaced the meds out as a precaution and re-assessed afterwards.. We can not predict how a pt will tolerate the medications.

Should the OP have given both meds even if spaced out; maybe not because the pt was already "sleepy". But without more details it is hard to say.

Specializes in Med Surg.

You say "snowed" I say "appropriate"!

Specializes in Critical Care.
ASPMN advocates good pain management. This includes the use of adjuvants, opioids, non pharmacological therapies and with that appropriate monitoring. It doesn't support snowing of patients.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never heard the JC support snowing patients either.

The JC has taken an aggressive stance on pain control, which was developed with input from both ASPAN and ASPMN, and both groups refer to the JC positions in their own position statements. Maybe you're referring to a different JC position than this.

I also cringe when I hear JC's take on pain control, although most of the criticism from this is due to it being incorrectly interpreted by facilities and practitioners. But the most aggressive pro-pharmacologic-pain control stance I've ever heard came from ASPMN, which lobbied the California department of health resulting in their "5th vital sign" law being passed which in part stated that Nurses should strongly consider just giving prn pain meds as though they were scheduled in postop patients, regardless of pain level, which apparently worked so well the Calf. BON has taken down their interpretive statement on the law.

Pain control is tough. If you under medicate/treat your patient can suffer. If you give too much your patient gets "snowed" ( BTW I'm glad someone else uses this term and not just myself). The difficulty is that it is impossible to know how your patients will tolerate the medication. You use your best judgement and reassess as appropriate. If anything this topic is an excellent reminder of the dangers of pain medication.

Over the years, I have had the occasional patient who is very sensitive to even small amounts of pain meds.

They are not typical, but when you have a large man totally snowed my 25mcg of Fentanyl, you remember them.

Specializes in telemetry, nursing education.

Just so you know, there have been times that I knew the medication or combination of medications would harm my patient. If a doctor yelled at me to administer it anyway, I would tell him if he wanted the patient to get it, he was going to have to give it himself, under his license. You do NOT have to do everything you are ordered to do. You can always go to your charge nurse or unit manager for support.

I don't think you did anything wrong in this situation. Sometimes patients just have responses like these. Good on you for having a suspicion about it and then following up. I would only be concerned if you were completely oblivious, which you're not. :)

Specializes in LTC Rehab Med/Surg.

When a patient continues to c/o pain of 10, and you ignore it, Press Gainey is gonna hear about it. If a pt wants the pain med, you don't give it, the MD is gonna hear about it. Not to mention the member of management who rounds every day in the pt rooms to ascertain pt satisfaction.

I would have given the second round of pain meds and watched the pt.

That's what Narcan's for.

I think it would be beneficial for pt teaching to be done concerning pain control. Pain control doesn't mean we're going to make it disappear. It means we make it tolerable.

I'm constantly amazed that pts believe we can make post op pain disappear, and they want the drugs that make it happen.

Specializes in Pain, critical care, administration, med.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I've never heard the JC support snowing patients either. The JC has taken an aggressive stance on pain control, which was developed with input from both ASPAN and ASPMN, and both groups refer to the JC positions in their own position statements. Maybe you're referring to a different JC position than this. I also cringe when I hear JC's take on pain control, although most of the criticism from this is due to it being incorrectly interpreted by facilities and practitioners. But the most aggressive pro-pharmacologic-pain control stance I've ever heard came from ASPMN, which lobbied the California department of health resulting in their "5th vital sign" law being passed which in part stated that Nurses should strongly consider just giving prn pain meds as though they were scheduled in postop patients, regardless of pain level, which apparently worked so well the Calf. BON has taken down their interpretive statement on the law.[/quote']

I have been in pain management for over 10yrs and ASPMN does not take that stand. They do recommend round the click dosing in post operative patients but with parameters. The rationale is to prevent peaks and valleys in pain. I would suggest studying the various position statements, read Pasero and Mccaffery pain book. This type of misinformation is the exact reason that patients are not managed appropriately. The joint commission is a whole other misinformed group.

Education is the key to good pain management.

Specializes in Critical Care.

Round the clock dosing, but with parameters is what I was referring to. I'm not aware that the JC recommends giving pain medications despite the presences of parameters that would cause someone to consider holding them, maybe you could point me to this JC position.

I also cringe when I hear JC's take on pain control, although most of the criticism from this is due to it being incorrectly interpreted by facilities and practitioners. But the most aggressive pro-pharmacologic-pain control stance I've ever heard came from ASPMN, which lobbied the California department of health resulting in their "5th vital sign" law being passed which in part stated that Nurses should strongly consider just giving prn pain meds as though they were scheduled in postop patients, regardless of pain level, which apparently worked so well the Calf. BON has taken down their interpretive statement on the law.

MunoRN, I'm not quite clear as to what you are saying in regard to the California BON interpretive statement on the "5th vital sign" law. Would you be willing to elaborate?

Specializes in ED, Informatics, Clinical Analyst.

I think it would be beneficial for pt teaching to be done concerning pain control. Pain control doesn't mean we're going to make it disappear. It means we make it tolerable.

I'm constantly amazed that pts believe we can make post op pain disappear, and they want the drugs that make it happen.

I agree that lots of people are incredibly unrealistic about pain control. Unfortunately stuff hurts.

There are also people who will never get enough medication because they have a tolerance, an addiction, or they are truly in an unimaginable amount of pain (or a combination of the 3), and they will ask for pain medicine despite the fact they can barely stay awake long enough to spit out the question. Sometimes you can't win.

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