Forced to stay and work under mandatory evacuation? - page 19
I live near the gulf where evacuating for hurricanes is a possibility around this time. The hospital where I work places nurses on teams. One team is forced to say, the other forced to come back 24... Read More
1Aug 6, '12 by Hygiene Queen, RN GuideThat is why it is MY responsibility to ensure the safety of MY children.
Who else is going to do it?
We have a lot of talk about being responsible, but yet there is no regard for the responsibility of being a parent and protecting your children.
In an extreme life-threatening circumstance, I'm with my kids.Last edit by Esme12 on Aug 7, '12
4Aug 6, '12 by Stephalump, RNQuote from redhead_NURSE98!"We" as in "parents" who value the lives of their children, not necessarily their own. . That was an awkwardly worded sentence.
No offense, I don't know you, lol.
Love the hyperbole.
I'm personally under the impression that some people think their time is more valuable and/or they should be able to do whatever they want because they have a family. They certainly use that crutch on much less pressing matters than tornado duty. Rarely do I think it results in some group of childless superheroes doing all the emergency work, since a) there do exist plenty of parents with morals and work ethic, and b) there just aren't that dern many of us out there.
Point being, while some people said, point blank, they would not die on the job, I don't recall seeing anyone saying they were unwilling to die because they personally are somehow more valuable than others. I don't recall anyone saying only childless people should be forced to stay during mandatory evacuation: but certain posts have me wondering.
I've never been trapped in a hospital in a life or death situation, but if I were to simply freak out and head for the hills, I don't think I'd begrudge anyone for following me.
As far as non-disasters go, I don't doubt kids can be a great excuse to get out of doing just about anything. But in my experience, it's linked more to laziness than some extreme valuation of parental duties, and the fault lies with the managers who allow that kind of behavior to affect others long term.
And just as a side note: If I somehow treated my kids as unimportant and low on the totem pole, I'd be absolutely criminalized for being a shoddy parent and told I shouldn't have had any at all. Could they be somewhere in the middle? I suppose, but how would the world come to an agreement on what should be above and below? It's a losing game, it seems.
As a secondary side note: THANK YOU for the return hyperbole. Makes life more interestingLast edit by Esme12 on Aug 7, '12
2Aug 6, '12 by woohQuote from Hygiene QueenAnd if YOUR children need medical care during this emergency, are you ok that they won't be able to get it because all the parents at the children's hospital are off taking care of their own kids and nobody's left to give medical care to YOUR child?We have a lot of talk about being responsible, but yet there is no regard for the responsibility of being a parent and protecting your children.
2Aug 6, '12 by Stephalump, RNQuote from tothepointeLVNIt has nothing to do with liking it or not...it was an honest quietism expecting an honest answer.
I think you've misinterpreted my statement because it serves to illustrate your point. When I said "their lives" I was referring to their children. I'm sorry if you don't like this but I have felt that people with children think their progeny are more important that anything else in non disaster situations.
In a disaster situation I can potentially save more lives by showing up for duty than I would being at home with my family. But the OP doesn't have children but even if she did my opinion would be the same. Also a lot of people have stated they would not show up so they could stay home and board up their houses. She may find in a year or two she'll be placed on a different team and it'll be a non issue.
You could very well save more lives at work than at home, and if your sense of duty lies in saving a quantity of people vs specific people who are important to you, then so be it. I don't think it's wrong, and I really don't understand why anyone would see the opposite as wrong. I don't think utilitarianism has been adopted as absolute right as of now.
Personally, if I'm stranded at work valuing the life of other people's children, I would hope someone out there would be valuing the lives of my children - whether they know me or not.
0Aug 6, '12 by Hygiene Queen, RN GuideQuote from woohHow could I blame them if I know they feel the same way I do?And if YOUR children need medical care during this emergency, are you ok that they won't be able to get it because all the parents at the children's hospital are off taking care of their own kids and nobody's left to give medical care to YOUR child?
If my children were in a safe place with the right people, I would be there right along side my coworkers.
If not, I'm with the kids.Last edit by Hygiene Queen on Aug 6, '12 : Reason: Format
0Aug 7, '12 by LPN2RNn2011"if i understand this, your husband was at home and caring for/evacuating your children when you got a request from your work asking you to come in and help to evaluate patients. was your concern that your husband was unable to drive the truck away once it was packed? or just that you wanted to be with your family.
i think it was more than fair that you were never put on the schedule again. and after a year of not working, they terminated your employment . . . was that a surprise to you?"
just to answer your questions......most of the packing and loading was done by me and our 6 kids. my husband is disabled. he can "watch" and "supervise" but considering "him" i thought it best to stay with them. as far as the termination...they requested that i keep calling in days and hours that i 'could' work. to which i did for approx. 4mos.? then i just gave up and stopped calling. the separation letter i received stated that i had not been 'calling in'?
4Well you did stop calling in after 4 months. You had effectively been fired the moment you did go in just instead they chose not to use you rather than outright fire you. The 12 months later was just a formality to get you off the books.
In an emergency your free to do what you like but you can bet your employer is going to have some expectations of you and if your don't met them then they are free to let you go and give your hours to someone more compliant. It happens regarding ALL kinds of situations not just disasters. You did what you thought was best but unfortunately your employer disagreed.
I can guarantee some one who DID show up was griping something along the lines of "I don't see why I here and blah blah blah's not. Its not fair blah blah. She gets the best hours blah blah"
0Quote from StephalumpDo you mean question or do you seek to put my confusion to an end and return AN to a state of quietness. If so good luck with thatIt has nothing to do with liking it or not...it was an honest quietism expecting an honest answer.
1Aug 7, '12 by Stephalump, RNQuote from tothepointeLVNHah, well I just learned a new word today, thanks to autocorrect!
Do you mean question or do you seek to put my confusion to an end and return AN to a state of quietness. If so good luck with that
1Quote from StephalumpTake it as a compliment that I thought you were cerebral enough to float that concept out.Hah, well I just learned a new word today, thanks to autocorrect!
4Aug 7, '12 by Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorQuote from redhead_NURSE98!I think we need to value all life and whether you "know them" or not...... human life should be valued. When I had children, I made the decision to be responsible for another human life....at all costs, for the rest of my life. If my family/husband/significant other could not secure their safety. I would have to..... and I would gladly quit my job to do so.I'm personally under the impression that some people think their time is more valuable and/or they should be able to do whatever they want because they have a family. They certainly use that crutch on much less pressing matters than tornado duty. Rarely do I think it results in some group of childless superheroes doing all the emergency work, since a) there do exist plenty of parents with morals and work ethic, and b) there just aren't that darn many of us out there.
The threat of a tornado and a hurricane are completely different. It's all about the warning. Those nurses in Joplin OK who had their lives, and hospital, blown to bits in a matter of seconds. They could only pray that their children/husbands/families survived. I am positive each and every nurse came to the aid of their neighbors and did their best to save those patients that day.
Hurricanes however....are different. There are days of warnings. I had a different view before Katrina. My post Katrina thoughts made me realize that if my children and dog were not far away with family and safe......II would not be going to work...... I would be ensuring their safety and posting my resume on Monster.com. We all have choices to make for our own personal reasons.....one cannot condemn another for theirs....even if it is fear.
Being responsible for children is not a crutch but an obligation. Being a parent is the hardest job I have ever attempted and has given me the greatest rewards. I owe my children a breathing living parent. That I sacrificed my life for a complete stranger will not give them loving arms to seek shelter from life's heartbreak and dangers. I owe them a living parent....and I will sacrifice my job to do so.
I have placed myself in dangerous situations by choice.....my last search and rescue made me realize that once I had children.....I had to stop. I owed them more than I owed myself. I will always perform my duty......to a point. I remember the DNC the last election in Boston and all the hype about closing highways etc. I flew my parents in from Chicago to ensure that if I got "stuck" my children were safe and cared for.
I think we need to be respectful of other nurses choices and remember that the thread is about the legalities of mandatory call in during a disaster whenthere are mandatory evacuations being ordered.Last edit by Esme12 on Aug 7, '12
0Aug 7, '12 by Hygiene Queen, RN GuideQuote from Esme12This is exactly what I was trying to say.I think we need to value all life and whether you "know them" or not...... human life should be valued. When I had children, I made the decision to be responsible for another human life....at all costs, for the rest of my life. If my family/husband/significant other could not secure their safety. I would have to..... and I would gladly quit my job to do so.
2Aug 7, '12 by Stephalump, RNQuote from tothepointeLVNWell then consider me complimented. I was barely cerebral enough to figure out what the heck you were talking about. I was staring at my phone completely confused as to why you were accusing my of trying to unconfuse you when I just said it was just a question!
Take it as a compliment that I thought you were cerebral enough to float that concept out.
More coffee, more sleep.