Fired for expressing concerns about patient safety and care! - page 5

by hkrntobe 18,514 Views | 104 Comments

I need help please. Just not sure what to do now. Getting right to the particulars. I was working in a So Cal Hospital in a Psychiatric unit. I was assigned a set schedule. 1) I was suddenly assigned to work 8 days... Read More


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    Quote from lorilulu
    Oh no!! We can't criticize Dear Leader!! Off with your head! I will remind you that Obamacare was passed against the will of the people and will destroy the quality of our health care system.
    Umm, it was drafted, voted and passed by a president, a house of representatives and the senate. All of whom were ELECTED by the people. And it was upheld by supreme court judges. All of whom are appointed by an ELECTED president(s). How is this "against the will" of the people? We can't feasibly have a national election to determine each new law. That is why we have a legislature. That is why we are a republic. We elect representatives to vote for/against new laws......
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    As for the subject at hand, yes sometimes one DOES have to just keep their mouth shut and go with the flow. That's how the real world works. Obviously there is a line where one has to speak up, but you have to pick your battles. The OP was very vague about *what* exactly she was speaking up about. Working in LTC, it's obvious to anyone with a brain that the staffing ratios are less than safe. But you don't complain to management about it during probation. What's the point, other than to stir the pot and put yourself in management's crosshairs? Do you think they're going to have an epiphany and alter the way they've been doing things forever just because a new grad on orientation says something? Pick battles that you can win.
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    The advice to "keep quiet" is not telling you to compromise your principles. Aside from the fact that you need to survive that probationary period, it's also buying time to get yourself familiar with how things are done in the organization so that you can bring an effective change. No general leads his army into an unknown. You've got to study your enemy first!

    But seriously, I am so sorry you lost your job like that, OP.
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    We need to remember what this thread is about. The OP lost their job for speaking out about unsafe conditions and what was to the OP an unreasonable schedule.

    Lets please stick to the topic and leave the political discussions to the breakroom. Or the thread will be closed.

    OP....I am sorry you are experiencing this. Unfortunately an employer can fire you during the probationary period. If the Union isn't supportive and the administration is this supportive is this a place you really want to work? Working 8 days in a row isn't necessarily against any labor laws as long as it doesn't exceed 80 hours in 2 weeks. It would also depend on the union contract....which you probably have no benefits from as most union facilities have a waiting period before the union contract "covers you".

    I wish you the best.
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    OP, in your first post you described the situation, and asked for advice, opinions, and what options you might have now.

    When presented with the advice to keep your head down next time and the opinion that you probably got yourself branded as "trouble" because of how you were presenting problems, you disregarded it.

    You specifically ask what you should do/shouldn't have done. You were given very valid advice from the real-world aspect of employee/employer relationships. Speaking out versus waiting for a more appropriate or beneficial time. However, you dismissed it because you prefer to speak up immediately instead. All that is fine, but you should remember that it was you who ASKED the questions in the first place.

    My opinion? You seem to be very idealistic when it comes to nursing, which makes the finesse of handling being the new employee challenging at best. No one is telling you to compromise your values or standards but it seems your timing could use a little more polishing.
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    Perhaps I should have allowed mistreatment and unsafe care to continue for a bit longer before trying to prevent another assault? It's not as though I expressed concerns they hadn't heard in fact, The RN's and LVN's attempted to gather the union reps for a meeting with HR. This was to discuss safety and ethics concurs. Fact of the matter is that I was NOT the only one who has expressed concerns or whom had been attacked. I don't know about anyone else but I certainly don't get paid enough for the privilege of going to work and being asulted. PERIOD! I have a child I have an obligation to come home to. Period! If you are a nurse whom chooses to take more patients than the State of CA deems is safe out of fear that you will be fired, (believing that management is going to protect you if something goes wrong) or conduct yourself in an unethical manner, then that is a decision you choose to make. I firmly believe in God and Karma. You get out of this world what you put in. While I did not look at going to work as if I was "going to war" I will say No GOOD General will ask his/her soldiers to do anything they wouldn't to themselves. ********* I would hope that every Nurse would practice in a manner that would be consistent with the care that he/she would want for their own Mother, Father, Brother, Sister, Child ********* I seems as though there are those whom would label me as silly or bash me for that. Go right on ahead. One day someone you love will be in a hospital with a nurse whom has to choose between doing what he/she feels is the best Nursing care for your loved one or "keeping his/her mouth shut" to avoid getting caught in the cross hairs. Sad Really
    Last edit by hkrntobe on Sep 25, '12
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    Exactly. There is a time and place for everything. And you should always think before you speak, and keep in mind that WHO you're speaking up to is important.

    Remember:

    If wisdom's ways you wisely seek,
    Five things observe with care:
    TO whom you speak
    OF whom you speak
    and WHEN and HOW and WHERE.
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    Quote from hkrntobe
    Fact of the matter is that I was NOT the only one who has expressed concerns
    But I bet you were the only one on probation expressing the concerns.

    Employer has a bunch of troublemakers. Employer gets rid of troublemakers they can get rid of. This surprises you?

    You can argue with us that you were "right." Doesn't change the fact that you're unemployed.
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    Quote from hkrntobe
    Perhaps I should have allowed mistreatment and unsafe care to continue for a bit longer before trying to prevent another assault? It's not as though I expressed concerns they hadn't heard in fact, The RN's and LVN's attempted to gather the union reps for a meeting with HR. This was to discuss safety and ethics concurs. Fact of the matter is that I was NOT the only one who has expressed concerns or whom had been attacked. I don't know about anyone else but I certainly don't get paid enough for the privilege of going to work and being assaulted. PERIOD!

    I have a child I have an obligation to come home to. Period! If you are a nurse who chooses to take more patients than the State of CA deems is safe out of fear that you will be fired, (believing that management is going to protect you if something goes wrong) or conduct yourself in an unethical manner, then that is a decision you choose to make. I firmly believe in God and Karma. You get out of this world what you put in.

    While I did not look at going to work as if I was "going to war" I will say No GOOD General will ask his/her soldiers to do anything they wouldn't to themselves. ********* I would hope that every Nurse would practice in a manner that would be consistent with the care that he/she would want for their own Mother, Father, Brother, Sister, Child ********* I seems as though there are those whom would label me as silly or bash me for that. Go right on ahead. One day someone you love will be in a hospital with a nurse whom has to choose between doing what he/she feels is the best Nursing care for your loved one or "keeping his/her mouth shut" to avoid getting caught in the cross hairs. Sad Really
    No.....no one is saying that you need to allow unsafe conditions but that sometimes the righteous path is not always the easy path. Every one must make choices for themselves what is or is not acceptable and what they can or will tolerate. I think the administration was clear in their message what path they wanted to choose. I personally don't think this is a place to work for and I'd aviod them like the plague.

    Sadly, you were the one easily expendable. You were the one that wasn't "protected" by the Union. In a job climate such as this hospitals are behaving badly but you are right you are responsible for your child. Your baby needs you to be unharmed with a nursing license.

    Unfortunately, this is the sad reality......and they were perfectly legal for what they did. They made an example of you to show the "others" what would happen of the got out of line. You were the sacrificial lamb.

    I wish you the best.
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    OP, you came here asking for advice. Clearly not everyone is of the opinion that there was nothing you possibly could have done to avoid getting fired, and they've told you this.

    At this point, since you DON'T believe there was anything you would have/could have done differently, I'd have to wonder what it is you're seeking from the members here? It seems you want a slew of people saying "great job, you handled it fabulously, the management there stinks, you're probably the best nurse they've ever had" etc. But in light of NOT getting that.....you're angry?

    Either you will find a lesson to learn from this to apply toward your next job (and succeed at it) or you won't. In any event, I really do wish you well as you search elsewhere for employment.


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