Fired for expressing concerns about patient safety and care! - page 4

by hkrntobe 18,732 Views | 104 Comments

I need help please. Just not sure what to do now. Getting right to the particulars. I was working in a So Cal Hospital in a Psychiatric unit. I was assigned a set schedule. 1) I was suddenly assigned to work 8 days... Read More


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    Quote from bstullis
    Call it what you want (ACA or Obama Care), healthcare is in more turmoil than has been seen in 20+ years. With the Supreme Court upholding the "tax" argument, the government (I don't blame this only on Mr.Obama, but Congress as well) has taken steps that have made every health care facility and insurance company put it's spending practices under a microscope and encouraged shortcuts that strain everyone (short staffing that allows a company to show a profit this quarter only to hire many new staff the next bouncing off those "profits").


    I have been a nurse for over 16 years and the issues you mention, such as short staffing d/t corporate greed have been going on since way before we ever knew who Obama was. The Affordable Healthcare Act was partially designed to remedy some of that. And in my opinion, none of these changes can be in any way blamed on the OP's unfortunate problems. The previous posters were correct, when you are in a new job during your probationary period, you cannot rock the boat or you will be an unemployed patient advocate.
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    Yes, in today's world, I have seen great nurses getting fired because they wanted to do "The right thing." I think it is very honorable to do "The right thing." However, doing the right thing doesn't pay the bills. I am on orientation right now at a new job and I am keeping my mouth shut. I am being oriented right now by someone who doesn't know how to do things correctly. Now what would happen if I were to do "the right thing" and confront her with all the mistakes she is showing me to do? She would probably become angry and offended and report me to the supervisor and I would be kicked out and fired. No, I am keeping my mouth shut. I need my paycheck.
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    I don't like when people point at one person and blame them for their lot in life. High gas prices? President's fault, he could lower them in a heartbeat but doesn't want to. I have to pay taxes on the income I earned? What a crock, the President needs to lower my taxes! Lost my job in healthcare? It's all that damned Obamacare! Puh-leaze

    Quote from hkrntobe
    Out of everything, that's what you got out of that?
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    Grammar matters.

    Quote from bstullis
    Call it what you want (ACA or Obama Care), healthcare is in more turmoil than has been seen in 20+ years. With the Supreme Court upholding the "tax" argument, the government (I don't blame this only on Mr.Obama, but Congress as well) has taken steps that have made every health care facility and insurance company put it's spending practices under a microscope and encouraged shortcuts that strain everyone (short staffing that allows a company to show a profit this quarter only to hire many new staff the next bouncing off those "profits").



    Yes, spelling is very important when you are upset/frustrated and calling out for help.
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    It sucks, your screwed, all you can really do is move on. That is just the reality. I hope you find something soon. It really blows to be punished for doing the right thing.
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    Why would your date of hire be anything other than your start date? That's pretty standard. If you're offered and accept a job in February but don't start until April, April is your hire date. What if you backed out before you actually started? Would you be able to say you worked for this place from Feb-March? No. Way more than 90 days passed between when I was offered my first job and when I started (actually, almost 6 months did). It would be ridiculous to assume that the 90 day probationary period could be over before one even set foot in the door as an RN. Your probationary period begins the day you begin working.

    I wouldn't be so quick to blame the union. Maybe the union rep was actually looking into your situation and not "stalling for 2 weeks".

    Your license is not at ask because psych patients are attacking each other and staff. Nurses lose their license for things like diverting narcotics or showing up to work drunk... not for something out of their control.

    Unfortunately, as it seems you've already realized, working Wed-Wed is not uncompensated overtime. The work week is Sunday to Saturday and 8 hr shifts Wed-Wed means you work 32 hrs in each week. Federal law does not mandate overtime until over 40 hrs in the work week. Different states have different laws on how many consecutive days one can work... my state mandates one "full day of rest" in every 7 day period but I don't believe there is any federal law mandating days off so, unless your state has such a law or your facility has policies against such, they CAN put you on 8 days in a row. (In my experience, facilities will ignore their own policies if it's to their benefit but union facilities are usually better about this.)
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    Quote from hkrntobe
    I need help please. Just not sure what to do now. Getting right to the particulars.





    Should I really have to sacrifice patent care and POTENTIALLY MY LICENSE in order to provide for my child? Advice would be appreciated please. What are my options from here?
    To reinforce what some others have mentioned:

    The schedule they gave you is pretty lousy for many people. But- it's not overtime. Some of us really like blocking our shifts to get more continous time off. Sounds crappy for a mom, but works well for me.

    You are new, and don't have much perspective on safety standards. You may well be 100 per cent correct on your assesment. Don't expect your managers to think you know better than the experienced nurses running the place. Even if you do.

    Sounds like an unsafe environment. Do you really want to work there?

    It is unsafe. I have worked many jobs that most would consider high risk. Construction, climbing towers, leading expeditions in crocodile and hippo infested water to name a few. The environment in which I have felt most at risk was during a 6 week rotaion in a state psych hospital.

    Probation is a period in which the hospital and the nurse figture out if they are a good match. They thought you were a bad match, and it sounds like you agree.

    To your question about options:

    Option 1:
    Hold out for a job that:

    Takes you your needs into account in scheduling.
    Meets your safety standards.
    Values the opinion of a brand new, inexperienced nurse.


    Option 2:

    Take a job that appears reasonable.
    Be as flexible and accomodating as possible regarding scheduling, especially during probation.
    If you have concerns about safety, watch how the more experienced urses deal with it.
    If you believe changes should be made, wait until you have experience and credibility. Then offer realistic solutions.


    Option 3:

    Take any job you can, and do your best to keep it in order to best provide for your kid.
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    Sounds like the world of nursing, for sure. Sorry that happened to you. I think I learned later in my career that you need to lay low at most jobs. Squeaky wheels never get oiled in this profession....quite the opposite.

    Good luck!
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    Your child should (if old enough) be very proud of you. You stood up for yourself and your patients. Unfortunately, it came with a price. I have been in your shoes. I have voiced my complaints, contacted the BON, obudsman, and etc. to do what was right for the patients, and I landed a target on my back and had to quit.

    This is the unfortunate part about nursing. We have two choices: To keep our mouths shut and fly under the radar to keep a job or to be proactive, raise concern/awarness and get fired or be forced to quit.

    Commuter is unfortunately right. You have to determine what is most important to you. To have a job but fly under the radar or to be a great nurse who truly cares and be fired. Rarely there is an inbetween.

    I am terribly sorry this happened to you. I pray that you will be able to find a job where you don't have to choose between doing what is right and being fired.
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    I've been fired more times than I care to admit. Not from nursing (I'm a student). Looks like the way the world works is the same in every place. I was the same way. A person who is not quiet. People don't like it. It doesn't matter if you are right. It isn't fair and it isn't ideal, but unfortunately, it is the reality. Reality bites and it is a hard pill to swallow. Be quiet, put your head down, and if you don't like it, look for another place to work. I'm glad you posted this because it reminds me how I have to change to fit in to save my own ass.


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