Choked by a patient. How do you deal with this trauma? Choked by a patient. How do you deal with this trauma? - pg.4 | allnurses

Choked by a patient. How do you deal with this trauma? - page 4

I was all alone in this hallway around 4am, charting on a computer- when out of the blue, somebody tried to choke me from behind. As I tried to twist free from him while screaming my lungs out, I... Read More

  1. Visit  jadelpn profile page
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    Quote from 222mom222
    That's a valid question. All of you have given such great input. I need to collate it in my email to my Director. This incident brought up so many issues like nurses' rights, workplace safety, patients' rights, self defense, protocols for violence in the workplace, legal boundaries, etc. It's a lot to take in and iron out.
    And please remember in all of this to look at your rights as an employee. If you can file a workman's comp, do it. If you have short term disability, take it. Have conversation with the workman's comp provider about what they are going to provide you. Take care of you.
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  2. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    I have a good friend that was assaulted at work. A patient grabbed her crotch and ripped her pants and underwear. The hospital was NOT supportive.

    Check out this thread....Nurse pressing charges - pg.3 | allnurses
  3. Visit  kungpoopanda profile page
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    Quote from Esme12
    I have a good friend that was assaulted at work. A patient grabbed her crotch and ripped her pants and underwear. The hospital was NOT supportive.

    Check out this thread....Nurse pressing charges - pg.3 | allnurses
    Yep, I found that the lack of support, the lack of a "sorry this happened to you" and that my workplace tried to make out that it was somehow my fault (even though this patient had assaulted other nurses before and after he attacked me) were possibly more traumatic than the assault and recovery from the injuries.
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  4. Visit  MedChica profile page
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    Have I been assaulted?
    It's been attempted. Only one resident has come after me. Sprinted. I restrained and held her until others came. Most of the time, I'm trying to help another staff member. I deflect blows well. I usually hurt myself restraining, the result of a bad grip. I've sprained my wrist that way.
    If I'd let him go, he would've attacked me. I restrained him and screamed for more assistance.
    I'm not a large woman. I'm 5'2.

    Other than that? I do a little boxing and also Krav Maga for exercise. I'm prior service military. I'm not the baddest person out there but I know how to defend myself. I'm deceptively strong. LOL
    I've got some weird reflexes. So, I try to not place myself in positions where knee-jerk reactions hurt the pt.
    Even in a regular facility, my back is always to the wall. When I'm with larger males, I'm extra watchful. I maintain a safe distance.

    One of our med aides jacked a resident (30 something male) up against the wall because he snuck up behind her and tried to tickle her or pick her up? I don't know. I just heard a squeal, 'Oof!' and a thud. She was instantly apologetic. "I didn't know. I didn't mean to --!" Hey, no explanation necessary.

    People are always trying to beat the hell out of and do weird things to female healthcare workers.
    'I must not hurt my pt' does not apply when the pt is bigger than me, has the strength to finish me and is blocking the exit.
    I'm prepared to lose my license over it. Just being honest. In real life, most nurses that I've worked with say the same 'off the record'.

    I understand why you thought like this, though. I really do. Defending yourself seems...discouraged in this profession. Counseling will help. Many assault victims behave in this fashion. Even those who've been in car accidents have fear when it comes to driving.
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  5. Visit  MedChica profile page
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    Quote from Esme12
    I have a good friend that was assaulted at work. A patient grabbed her crotch and ripped her pants and underwear. The hospital was NOT supportive.

    Check out this thread....Nurse pressing charges - pg.3 | allnurses

    I'd press charges in a heartbeat.
    I read the post about the female pt leaping the nurse's station to fight the nurse's station.
    An ex coworker was repeatedly hit in the head by a resident who kept coming into the nurse's station and angry because none would make 1100 calls a day. Honestly, I couldn't believe that she let it happen. She allegedly sat there in her chair and let the resident hit her. That's just ridiculous.
    When that pt would act out with my shift, we would just 'grip her up' (restrain crisscrossed arms firmly to side) and march her out of there.
  6. Visit  jadelpn profile page
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    Quote from MedChica
    I'd press charges in a heartbeat.
    I read the post about the female pt leaping the nurse's station to fight the nurse's station.
    An ex coworker was repeatedly hit in the head by a resident who kept coming into the nurse's station and angry because none would make 1100 calls a day. Honestly, I couldn't believe that she let it happen. She allegedly sat there in her chair and let the resident hit her. That's just ridiculous.
    When that pt would act out with my shift, we would just 'grip her up' (restrain crisscrossed arms firmly to side) and march her out of there.
    With the "sitting there letting someone hit her" aside, most facilities do not allow restraint of a patient without an order to do so, with the MD present. To "grip up" any patient would be considered battery of such patient. And could cost a job.

    For most facilities, and policies differ widely, security is called--and with lack of security personnell, the police are called. They follow a different process than a nurse.

    For a nurse that is accused of battery, this is a potential loss of license. And for most, grabbing patients and marching them out of the area is out of the question.
  7. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
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    Quote from Esme12
    I have a good friend that was assaulted at work. A patient grabbed her crotch and ripped her pants and underwear. The hospital was NOT supportive.

    Check out this thread....Nurse pressing charges - pg.3 | allnurses

    I had a similar situation happen to me when I was working home hospice. The creep...one minute he was showing me a display of all the medals he was awarded in WWII, the next he had his hand on my crotch. When I told my manager, she laughed it off. I told her I refused to go back to his home, and her only concern was who would cover his visits.

    It's stunning how many people have responded with stories of their own assaults. How sad; people may say they respect nurses, but this thread speaks otherwise.

    OP, I am so sorry for what you are going through. You definitely need time away and counseling. Your employer owes you this. (((222mom222)))
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  8. Visit  FineAgain profile page
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    That said, there's a big, big difference between a LOL with dementia who swats at staff, and someone who brutally attacks staff. We've probably all been swatted at by someone w/ dementia. Things like the OP's attack, or that story in the Nursing News forum about the nurse who suffered head trauma from the pt stomping on it...that is criminal.
    Oh I totally agree. And OP I hope you do not think I was making light of your situation, I am aghast that this happened to you -- most of all that you are not getting support from your employer.

    For the record, I have been swatted and laughed it off. I have also been bitten, scratched, kicked in the face...hard enough to bruise and draw blood. That's what I was talking about.
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  9. Visit  nurseprnRN profile page
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    OP, how are you doing?
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  10. Visit  RobtheORNurse profile page
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    Go to your employee health nurse and ask for some counseling. In Ky, our legislature made it a crime to assault ER personnel but not other staff...yet. Our hospital also instituted mandatory self defense training for all staff. Just to be able to free your self from such circumstances. I would recommend a Shotokan karate class too. You will learn pressure points and locks to protect yourself as well as the patient. You stop them without hurting them. Good luck
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  11. Visit  NurseGirl525 profile page
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    OP, I hope you are getting some counseling and took some time off. I was assaulted over 15 years ago and I still have issues to this day. When I see someone who looks like him out in public I feel a heat coming through my body and I break out in a sweat and my breathing increasing. Sometimes it takes a full 5 minutes for me to calm down. I was diagnosed in 2010 with PTSD finally and went into counseling for it and am doing much better today. I blamed myself for the longest time and thought what could I have done differently to prevent the situation. It took a neutral outside source to help me realize I did nothing wrong. Please don't expect these feelings to go away overnight or maybe ever, but a therapist can give you some great coping mechanisms.
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  12. Visit  gigi_rn profile page
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    You always have the right to defend yourself. Root Cause Analysis needs to be conducted just like any "event." Staffing, layout of the unit, how often patients are checked, cameras, Security rounding. Some systems have a panic button on the ID badge. I think it was inappropriate for you to continue working. If you were told to continue, that may be actionable. As soon as you were attacked, you suffered an OJI. It is your decision to inform the police - the hospital doesn't want to be on the evening news, which is why they want to minimize the event and handle it in-house. Take care.
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  13. Visit  Baubo516 profile page
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    222mom222 -

    I am so sorry this happened to you. It is admirable that you are thinking of trying to improve conditions at your work place, but please, care for yourself first. I have never been attacked, but my mother was a victim of violent crime, and my sisters and I all suffered PTSD because of it. Once you have gotten the help and support you need (counseling in particular, hopefully paid for by work), then you can start to look at the problems in your workplace.

    I am thinking of you and I will pray for you. I will also pray that your husband will realize how serious this is and try to be more supportive.

    How are you doing?
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