BSN entry level (Colorado)

  1. What does everyone know about the proposal that would make all RN's have to be BSN's, ADN's would be something less than an RN (not sure of the title), LPN's would be more or less CNA med techs, etc...I know some states make a BSN entry to practice registered nursing, but I live in Colorado where an ADN is considered an RN. How is this going to help the nursing shortage at all? Any word on this?
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  3. by   Brownms46
    Originally posted by KimmyLPN
    I know some states make a BSN entry to practice registered nursing, but I live in Colorado where an ADN is considered an RN. How is this going to help the nursing shortage at all? Any word on this?
    What states are you talking about???
  4. by   Mkue
    hi, i've never heard of any of the 50 states making bsn entry level for nursing. on the contrary, the information i'm hearing is that this probably won't ever happen, there will always be jobs for lpn's , at least in my lifetime.

    is there a school that is giving you this information?

    thanks.
  5. by   MollyJ
    One of the Dakota's (sorry, can't remember which) has BSN entry level.

    The rest are putzing along with the status quo.
  6. by   Fgr8Out
    Yes... it's one of the "Dakota's"...LOL I forget which, also.

    I would think that if what Kimmy is talking about actually comes to fruition, RN's who currently hold an ADN would be grandfathered in... the new requirement would come at some point after a specified date. I have no idea how that affects LPN's... probably not at all, as their role is generally different from that of RN.

    Peace
  7. by   WashYaHands
    I think what you heard about is called RENEW. It's something that is being debated in Colorado right now. There are two plans (red and blue). You can find out more info by going to http://www.dora.state.co.us/nursing/ click on "news and hot topics" on the left side of the web page. I have a friend who has been attending the meetings, I'll see her today and ask her about it and give you more info later.

    Linda
  8. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Putzing alone with the status quo? Please elaborate, Molly.
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    This is likely to re-spark the debate as to what level RN entry would need to be....sigh...here I go....Well, if they pass this where I live and work, there will be a LOT of NON-RN's who have RN training either leaving practice or functioning on a very strange level. What DO we do with allthe ADN grads who have been in practice for years and years? The diploma grads? Grandfather them? Dump 'em? Demote them til they go back and get their BSN? Do you realize how many rural nurses who have no access to BSN programs this would affect? How would these rural areas cope with this??? There has been a critical shortage of RN's (and MD's) in rural areas before "shortage" became our buzzword of the new Millenium.

    I feel like this will exacerbate an already critical shortage of qualified RN's who do bedside nursing. A truly STUPID move at this point in time in my opinion. They better think LONG and HARD what they would do with "the status quo" of nurses who hold other training besides a BSN cause their numbers are HUGE!

    North Dakota and Maine have had these qualifications for years. Their situations are already set and have been for some time. So I can choose not to practice in those states til my BSN is done (30 hours to go!)...... But to change this in all the states at THIS time is courting disaster if you ask me! Here we go again......anyone up for a debate?????:stone
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Aug 1, '02
  10. by   mattsmom81
    Woo Hoo, Deb...here we go again! You're a brave woman!

    This BSN debate never really leaves...just slinks off for awhile and.....(((poof))).......it's BAAAAAACK!!! Hehehe!

    Deb, which college are you going to for your BSN?...(forgive me if you've already shared...I'd forget my head if it wasn't screwed on with 5K worth of titanium hardware...literally)

    Seriously, though, I know exactly what ya mean, Deb, and sometimes I also feel like the 'highly educated' amongst us will demoralize and demote us til they bully us back to school.....( now my tongue IS firmly planted in cheek now...so please don't take me too seriously ya'll, OK?

    Now that I'm putting my kid through college, can I really afford to go back myself??? Probly not...but give me credit... I DO think about it every now and then...the local university is less expensive than the $ 300 a cred it hour online schools, but the university will make me repeat all kinds of courses... so they'll get their money out of this decrepit old, lowly Diploma RN...

    Gee...wonder if the Nursing Reinvestment Act has any funds for us lowly ADN's or Diplomas to go back to school....or is the cash just for the 'new blood"??? Guess we'll just hafta check it out, guys and gals!

    Bear with me today guys...haven't had my Prozac yet.

    Luv ya'll!
  11. by   Flo1216
    Not everyone can afford to go to a 4 year college and BSN programs don't offer any more clinical than other programs. They do have more theory and focus a lot on research and public health. I see nothing wrong with getting a BSN because I intend to get mine right after I graduate, I just feel that a lot of talented prospective nurses would be shortchanged if this happened. Some of the sharpest, most talented nurses I know come from diploma programs or have an A.D.N. And not for nothing, we all take and pass the same boards, don't we? I always encourage the pursuit of higher education but if we change the entry level to BSN simply to win a national pissing contest between programs, our patients will be the ones who lose.

    By the way, if BSNS are going to be like ADNS, ADNS like LPNS and LPNS like CNAS...what will the CNAS be like?????
    Last edit by Flo1216 on Aug 1, '02
  12. by   NurseKimberley
    I'm lost myself...I know it's up for debate in CA too. I was just talking to this blowhard last noc at work (she's almost got her BSN but that isn't why she's a blowhard lol) who was trying to scare everyone saying they're going to make all these changes...make LPN's be CNA's (my only problem with this is if you can't get enough people to go to 2-3 weeks of classes and be CNA's, how will we get them to go for a year or two?) Well the ANA published their position paper on this a little while ago....like 1965!!!!! So this this has been up in the air for almost 40 years, and prolly will continue to be there for years to come. I guess I won't worry till I learn different for sure. In the rural area where I live, even ADN's are few and far between, much less a BSN.
  13. by   disher
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    [B]This is likely to re-spark the debate as to what level RN entry would need to be....sigh...here I go....Well, if they pass this where I live and work, there will be a LOT of NON-RN's who have RN training either leaving practice or functioning on a very strange level. What DO we do with allthe ADN grads who have been in practice for years and years? The diploma grads? Grandfather them? Dump 'em? Demote them til they go back and get their BSN?

    BScN as entry to practice has been set to take place in the next few years in Canada. This applies to new grads only, licensed RNs will still be considered RNs. However, diploma nurses will notice most job posting will give preference to BScN, so if they want to work in a variety of areas then they are better off upgrading to a BScN. A perk of the current shortage is that many employers are paying tuition costs for diploma nurses BScN education.
  14. by   live4today
    It is things like this that make it so very essential NOT to teach our children to put all their "eggs in one basket", but to learn to diversify their vast talents in order to survive in a cold cruel business world today. If I were going to pay mega$$$ for a college education, it certainly would NOT be in ONE particular field, but several. I doubled my major......psych....nursing.....and I also went to college for a partial business degree which is how I worked as a Licensed Real Estate Agent....college trained....NOT agency trained or Board of Realtor trained....although my courses were taught at the college by Licensed Real Estate Brokers, except for my Real Estate Law Class which was taught by an attorney who specialized in that field.

    The smart way to survive is to make your hard earned $$$$ work FOR you......NOT against you....and the only way to ensure the success of that is to do what?????? DI - VER - SI -FY.... DIVERSIFY!!!

    When we know how to DIVERSIFY, we don't have to kiss azz nearly as much.....IF at all.....because we know we are talented in many areas, trained in many areas, and capable of keeping our heads above water. LET NO BOSS DROWN YOU IN THEIR SORROWS because YOU know how to do what???????? DIVERSIFY!!! When one door closes, a window of opportunitiy always opens up elsewhere......IF you what ?????? okay, okay, alright already......you got it!!! :kiss
    Last edit by live4today on Aug 1, '02

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