"Hardened" Healthcare Providers - page 3

I recently floated to the ER and witnessed such poor ethics in two nurses and paramedics I was astounded! The EMT team brought in an extremely morbidly obese woman in respiratory distress who was... Read More

  1. by   miracle1986
    Sounds like a professional EMS person responded. I have alot of respect for you.
  2. by   CoffeeRTC
    What they were doing was venting. We all do it. But it shouldn't have been done infront of others like that.
    I had a situation like that in my LTC..EMS came in for a transport and said a few nasty things infront of the nurses and the res. I kindly took them aside and told them...That we need to remember our manners and we all vent etc..but we take our talk like that outside...not in front of the resident and I will never hear of it again. They got the message. We still work together, vent together and get along. Sometimes people need a slap upside their head to get the message.
  3. by   nurse4theplanet
    Quote from tencat
    Uh.....wow. It's not 'psychosocial BS' to treat a human being like a human being. That means we keep those conversations in areas that patients can't hear us. I've participated in those conversations before, and they are necessary to handle the job, but it's really NOT professional to do this in front of patients, etc regardless of your role as a provider.
    Right on. I agree the conversations about her living conditions were necessary. It's an important aspect of planning her care and future discharge needs. Even if the information was provided in a judgemental way, at least the information was provided. Absolutely, this conversation should have been conducted behind closed doors away from the pt and other pt's/family members/staff not giving direct pt care. Shame on them for not adhering to the basic principles of privacy and respect, not to mention Hippa standards if other pts, etc. were to overhear the information. I would have approached my coworkers and nicely asked them if they would discuss the information in a more private area.
  4. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from gr8rnpjt
    I remember as a student spending a couple of days with an EMT company in the area of my school. I was appalled at the way EMT's are so expressive about what they see and what they deal with every day. I remember hearing an EMT talking about a trip to a small amusement park in the area, that had a train ride that encircled the park. A small child had fallen off the train and was run over. This EMT was smiling and describing how the head was just mush in the back. I got very angry and cried and yelled at him for his insensetivity. Several other EMT's spoke to me and told me that is how they cope. But I will never forget the SMILE on his face.
    They need some NEW coping methods. I woudl have gone further than you did. What a Jack ass...:angryfire
  5. by   EmerNurse
    I've also heard HCW (EMS, Nurses, whomever) make this kind of comment: "Oh gads, that patient came from XYZ nursing home, that's why she is malnurished/full of sores/aspirated/whatever", within earshot of the patient/family.

    Always shudder when I hear that. Yeah we all THINK it - without a doubt - but just makes me cringe.
  6. by   Kelly_the_Great
    Quote from schooldays
    That's for sure true, but the fact that you don't seem ashamed of it shows that at some point you veered off the path of proper patient care and can't find your way back.
    This statement is so contradictory; one begins to think of disorganized thought processes. Which is it "for sure true" or an indication of "you veered off the path of proper patient care" and something to be "ashamed of"???

    Quote from schooldays
    MOST nursing care I have seen is substandard and makes nurses look just one step above someone on the line at McDonalds. I say have some self-respect and practice professional nursing.
    I really resent this statement, not only as a practicing nurse of 12 years but on behalf of my colleagues. Let me clue you into something, having respect and practicing as a professional also includes respecting your colleagues!!!

    Quote from schooldays
    This is probably the most scathing post I've ever made on this site, but one thing I can't handle is sloppy nurses who use the excuse that they've been around and this is how it's done!
    This isn't probably, it is without doubt the most scathing post I have ever posted on this site. You know what I can't handle? Ideological students who have never practiced but feel perfectly privileged to comment upon the competency of those who are!
  7. by   dotscan
    Dear Tony,
    Thanks for your reply. It is nice to have a good response from a veteran nurse.
    Dotscan
  8. by   canoehead
    Quote from EmerNurse
    I've also heard HCW (EMS, Nurses, whomever) make this kind of comment: "Oh gads, that patient came from XYZ nursing home, that's why she is malnurished/full of sores/aspirated/whatever", within earshot of the patient/family.

    Always shudder when I hear that. Yeah we all THINK it - without a doubt - but just makes me cringe.
    Although it might not be the best thing to say I don't get upset about it. Soemtimes families need to know that their loved one is not getting proper care. This comment might put a bug in their ear as to why.
  9. by   CHATSDALE
    report on living conditions should have been done in writing and not passed on in gossip
    social workers will have no access to this information if it is not included in chart
    this was not done in professional manner
  10. by   miracle1986
    Today- It is hard to find a nurse who is intelligent in the field of nursing and has a reasonable amount of compassion and patience...etc...then the BIG one --having any HUMILITY towards the patients.
    I was innocently in a horrible car accident. After being life-flighted and coded 3 times and was bedfast with a Hoff-man device in my crushed pelvis for 3 months.....I ONLY REMEMBER ONE NURSE THAT TOOK CARE OF ME....she cried with me becasue she had so much compassion for my pain. That in itself is pathetic. Of all the nurses, I remember one. All the half-wit nurses practicing this 'profession' need to be the paitent for awhile. Then, we would see alot of change. (OR alot of nurses leaving the profession !!!)
  11. by   SaderNurse05
    Of course hindsight is 20/20 but I have been known to ask other healthcare professionals to go somewhere else and have that particular conversation. Usually they get the drift and change the subject. I agree it can be a coping mechanism but it does not need to be braodcast over the ER, or floor or whatever.
  12. by   meinschatz
    Quote from AriRN
    I'm a new nurse as well, but I saw this type of ethics frequently as a student and now as a nurse. I think what you did was right. Even though others are direspecting the patient and talking loudly, you should just ignore their loud comments and deliver the best care you can to your patient. If this continued, I would definitely maybe contact the manager or director because that type of behavior is purely unprofessional.

    I am a CNA and I see and witnessed these things happening everywhere. Sometimes disgruntled, tired and unsatisfied health providers are prone to act this way. Also they could have the feeling that they are above or in much better situation than the patients themselves. Patients are at the mercy of the health care provider literally when they get sick. It's not their fault and no one wants to be in the hospital. Still as a health care provider, one should remain professional and deliver the best care possible for the patient, setting aside any judgmental comments and looks. We are only human being and should be treated with respect and dignity.
  13. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from Kelly_the_Great



    I really resent this statement, not only as a practicing nurse of 12 years but on behalf of my colleagues. Let me clue you into something, having respect and practicing as a professional also includes respecting your colleagues!!!



    This isn't probably, it is without doubt the most scathing post I have ever posted on this site. You know what I can't handle? Ideological students who have never practiced but feel perfectly privileged to comment upon the competency of those who are!
    Absotively. Aren't we lucky to have all of these students to set us straight? That post should be referenced the next time someone vents about how "nurses eat their young." Sometimes, the young bring bad treatment on themselves by being judgemental and disrespectful.

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