Nurses Helping Nurses
allnurses Network: Central | Jobs | Books | Newsletter
allnurses: A Nursing Community for Nurses
Home General News Blogs Articles Students Region Specialty Degrees F.A.Q.
Nursing Informatics /

War on talent about to begin in healthcare IT



Did You Know?
allnurses is the largest community for nurses on the web. We now have over 388,141 members! Join today to network with other nurses, laugh, share, and much more.

Nov 04, 2009 03:52 PM

War on talent about to begin in healthcare IT

by rninformatics Staff

This is good news for both experienced informatics nurses/clinicians and those without any informatics experience who are trying to get their foot in the door.


FROM Healthcare IT News

War on talent about to begin in healthcare IT

October 23, 2009 | Bernie Monegain, Editor



BOSTON – The government's piece of the stimulus package aimed at boosting the adoption and use of healthcare information technology is expected to create 50,000 new jobs – maybe more.

A panel of healthcare IT experts who spoke Thursday at the 6th annual Connected Health Symposium in Boston agreed that 50,000 seems right.

"The need for IT is going to explode," said Andrew Vaz, national director of life sciences for Deloitte Consulting. He said companies like Oracle, SAP, IBM and Cerner are trying to position themselves to "win the war on talent," both in the United States and offshore.

"Fifty-thousand is a pretty big number," said John Glaser, CIO of Partners HealthCare in Boston and an adviser to the nation's healthcare IT chief, David Blumenthal, MD. "The timeframe is pretty short. That's just a lot of people in a short period of time."

There are a few unknowns.

"We don't know how fast that will occur," Glaser said. "Also, we don't really understand the secondary opportunities."

New workers will be needed at all levels, from pulling wire to overseeing installations, Glaser said. Doctors and other healthcare providers will also need help getting started.

"The current workforce in our healthcare organizations are not prepared to stretch," said Eileen Sporing, senior vice president for patient care operations and chief nursing officer at Children's Hospital Boston.
Eileen Sporing
She said nurses might not be as well prepared for the change from paper to digital as other healthcare providers.

"Nursing as a discipline is not advancing quickly enough in the informatics field," she said. "Nursing has a huge deficit of knowledge, a long curve." By contrast, she said, the pharmacy workforce seems "fairly facile."

Training

Glaser said training would be needed in established computer science and informatics programs in universities and community colleges, depending on the level of skills sought.

He said the federal government will "put some money on the table" for training. He also expects healthcare organizations will fund some of the training "because they've got to invest to draw talent." The same goes for vendors, he said.

Sporing agreed. "It's a mix, same as we're doing now," she said.

The biggest gap is in the higher-level set of skilled IT workers, Vaz said.

"It will be hard to find seasoned, experienced" personnel, Glaser agreed. And while there is appeal to hiring bright, energetic 23- and 24-year-olds, he said, there's an "element of effectiveness on the job" that comes from having seen and solved problems associated with major deployments.


Share

Search Tags
None
Top

 
Advertisement
Sponsored Links
 
Reply
7 Comments
No. 1
Old Nov 04, 2009, 10:30 PM

Default Re: War on talent about to begin in healthcare IT
This is a great thing! The health care industry needs an influx of people experienced in professional information technology.

So far, my experience is that my 15 years of IT experience isn't enough to bridge the gap between my LVN license and a RN license. Maybe that'll change...
Top

1 Reader Gave Kudos
 
No. 2
from elkpark
Old Nov 05, 2009, 08:41 AM

Default Re: War on talent about to begin in healthcare IT
Originally Posted by rickparrott View Post
This is a great thing! The health care industry needs an influx of people experienced in professional information technology.

So far, my experience is that my 15 years of IT experience isn't enough to bridge the gap between my LVN license and a RN license. Maybe that'll change...
??? Are you suggesting that your IT experience should, by itself, qualify you for RN licensure? Why??
Top
 
No. 3
Old Nov 05, 2009, 05:18 PM

Default Re: War on talent about to begin in healthcare IT
Thats right because the healthcare industry needs an influx of experienced informaticians/healthcare informatics professionals - Healthcare Informatics professionals are those who already are expert/experienced clinicians plus have the informatics skill set. Information technology and Informatics are not the same. It is easier to take a nurse, doctor, respiratory therapist, lab technologist - a clinician and turn them into a healthcare informatics professional than it is to take a information technology person and turn him/her into an informatics professional.
Ah, the debate about LVN/LPN vs RN...............not going there.
Good Luck!

Originally Posted by rickparrott View Post
This is a great thing! The health care industry needs an influx of people experienced in professional information technology.

So far, my experience is that my 15 years of IT experience isn't enough to bridge the gap between my LVN license and a RN license. Maybe that'll change...
Top
 
No. 4
Old Nov 05, 2009, 06:21 PM

Default Re: War on talent about to begin in healthcare IT
You really think so? That so typical of the arrogance I have experienced since coming into the health care field. People in health care seem to think that they are the only people who can be professionals. Why is that? Being a true professional at any trade takes a lot of hard work.

It is true, you can teach someone to be a competent computer person fairly quickly. Just like I can teach someone to be a competent nurse fairly quickly. But, it's a lot harder to be a true professional. Some doctors and RNs seem to think that they are better than others because of their education. I have a BS in Aeronautics, can't see how it made me any better than anyone else.

What I'm saying is that a true Information Technology professional is every bit as accomplished as any RN or doctor, and my experience is that you can't make a blanket statement like you did. It shows ignorance and arrogance...

Maybe you can define informatics for me? How is it different than information technology? At the base level isn't it using computers to leverage workload? Computers reduce workload by automating repetitive tasks and by enhancing communication.

As for the LVN to RN thing. No, my IT experience shouldn't count for anything regarding my nursing license. LVN or RN. It should count as much as my nursing license when dealing with IT issues. An IT professional with a LVN license is far better able to do the job than a RN or doctor without professional IT experience.

Don't worry, I'm going to get my RN license. Need to fill that little check box don't we? And the subject was informatics nursing, wasn't it?


Peace out!
Top
 
No. 5
Old Nov 05, 2009, 08:35 PM

Default Re: War on talent about to begin in healthcare IT
Thought I'd add...

Information technology, the study, design, development, implementation, support, or management of computer-based information systems...

Isn't that what you do in Informatics???

If anything, I'd say Informatics was a minor subset of Information Technology.
Top
 
No. 6
Old Nov 05, 2009, 11:46 PM
Updated Nov 06, 2009 at 08:58 AM by rninformatics

Default Re: War on talent about to begin in healthcare IT
Greetings Rickparrott,

I'm not sure if you have part of my reply confused with the other poster or not but I think you misunderstood my comments so I will clarify.

My use of the word "professional" connected to informatics clinicians was in no way meant to detract from, demean, or in any way disrespect IT "professionals". NO where in my post is there any statement related to me believing that only MDs or RNs are "professionals" No where in my post is there anything that says that you or any other information technology professional is not as "accomplished" as any other professional.

My basic premise is that yes when working in healthcare information systems/healthcare informatics - and if I as a hiring manager had one candidate for a role who was an experienced clinician plus had an informatics skills set and another candidate who was an IT professional with no clinical background or experience ... In my humble opinion the best candidate for the role would be the clinician! Yes, that is MY opinion. That is what my premise was and that is how I have hired and staffed projects over the past 10 plus years. Are there exception? Sure. Does that choice disrespect the IT candidate? Not at all. Since I am both an experienced clinician/RN, have been practicing in informatics for 10 plus years (have held roles from analyst, to project manager to hiring manager) and currently work in this specialty I might be able to speak from some experience. That doesnt mean I know it all but that does mean I have an opinion.

My previous post reads: "clinician" "Healthcare Informatics professionals are those who already are expert/experienced clinicians plus have the informatics skill set." "It is easier to take a nurse, doctor, respiratory therapist, lab technologist - a clinician".............. By the way you as an LVN/LPN are also considered a "clinician"


Your description of Information Technology speaks about "computers" and "workload" Informatics is about more than "the computer" its about utilizing information systems technologies to improve clinical practice and patient care.
Informatics is as much about computers as cardiology is about stethoscopes.
See my posts on defining informatics difference between informatics and medical records aka health information management.
http://allnurses.com/nursing-informa...gt-380211.html

Nursing Informatics is a specialty that integrates nursing science, computer science, and information science to manage and communicate data, information, knowledge, and wisdom in nursing practice.


Sorry you are having such a hard time bridging the gap and securing a role in this specialty. I have several LPN colleagues who practice in this specialty.
As I also wrote in another post to this forum sometimes its the "soft skills" that stand out even more than the technical experience in a potential candidate. People skills and soft skills such as:

- effective communicator
- mediator
- good listener
- diplomat

I've been a practicing RN for 24 years. I first got my Associates degree then 10 years later my BSN. I am a grad school drop out. There has for years been multi faceted discussion and debate over LVN/LPN vs. Associate Degree, Diploma Degree, BSN, and Masters prepared RN degrees, education, and licensure.
As yes the subject is Informatics Nursing.... That is what I meant by my statement: " Ah, the debate about LVN/LPN vs. RN...............not going there."

How one handles oneself often tells more about "professionalism" than any degree, education or past work experience.
Namaste



Originally Posted by rickparrott View Post
You really think so? That so typical of the arrogance I have experienced since coming into the health care field. People in health care seem to think that they are the only people who can be professionals. Why is that? Being a true professional at any trade takes a lot of hard work.

It is true, you can teach someone to be a competent computer person fairly quickly. Just like I can teach someone to be a competent nurse fairly quickly. But, it's a lot harder to be a true professional. Some doctors and RNs seem to think that they are better than others because of their education. I have a BS in Aeronautics, can't see how it made me any better than anyone else.

What I'm saying is that a true Information Technology professional is every bit as accomplished as any RN or doctor, and my experience is that you can't make a blanket statement like you did. It shows ignorance and arrogance...

Maybe you can define informatics for me? How is it different than information technology? At the base level isn't it using computers to leverage workload? Computers reduce workload by automating repetitive tasks and by enhancing communication.

As for the LVN to RN thing. No, my IT experience shouldn't count for anything regarding my nursing license. LVN or RN. It should count as much as my nursing license when dealing with IT issues. An IT professional with a LVN license is far better able to do the job than a RN or doctor without professional IT experience.

Don't worry, I'm going to get my RN license. Need to fill that little check box don't we? And the subject was informatics nursing, wasn't it?


Peace out!
Top

1 Reader Gave Kudos
 
No. 7
Old Nov 06, 2009, 08:16 PM

Default Re: War on talent about to begin in healthcare IT
Well, maybe I am over reacting. And i was responding to two post, obviously that was a recipe for confusion.

I know I'm a clinician. I just feel that those of us who have moved into the medical field should be able to leverage our skills. My IT skills are better than the IT skills of almost any nurse or doctor I have met...

There are processes that you can only learn when you work in a full time IT environment. Few nurses I know have that opportunity.

I lost out on a $150,000.00 job just because I wasn't an RN. I was actually told that I wasn't a real nurse. Guess I'll finish my RN so then I'll be a real nurse... LOL!
Top
 
Reply




Thread Tools


Who's Online
78 members
1,214 guests
1,292

6

California Imposes Stricter Rules Regarding Drug Abuse In...

19

Are older nurses being forced out of the profession?

3

An outlook in California?

8

Australian surgeons successfully separate conjoined twins

41

Disruptive behavior by doctors, nurses persists a year...

31

Woman sues after police tackle her in ER during premature...

5

Beyond The Last Lecture -For Randy & Jai Pausch nurses...

18

WHO: Give at-risk groups anti-flu drugs early

21

Nursing, medical schools should work together, experts say

6

Army nurse honored after 100th birthday



1

Society Needs Care Too

11

Why am I doing this, anyway?

2

Nurse Heal Thyself

9

My Papa, why I am the nurse I am today.

17

I made it through

11

An angel's gaze

14

A Sister Never Forgets

16

Ruby's Marbles

37

What Do Operating Room Nurses Do?

14

My Little Old Jedi

20

I love this job......

23

"I hear voices"

19

Preventing FRUTI (Foley Related Urinary Tract Infection) in...

24

Error and Attitude

10

It's Just a Shower





Currently Reading This Page: 1 (0 members & 1 guests)

Interested in the hottest topics of the week? Subscribe to the Nurse-zine Newsletter.
Enter email address: