work abroad w/out experience.. possible? - page 8

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if possible... where? would that be advisable? tnx!:p... Read More


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    I think its best to get experience first. people just see nursing in the philippines as a means to go to the US and make money (i know im making a sterotype but for those who arent like that im sorry) now dont get me wrong im in support of that i just dont think being in a rush to get money should interfer with gaining a little experience
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    philippine nsg experience is not credited in the u.s....and so ar the over-priced trainings/seminars like acls blah blah>> these are all money-making crap!

    an aunt of mine whos been working as a nurse in the us for god-knows-how-long told me so. before immigrating to the us, she has worked in the philippines, as well as libya(middle east) at the height of the bloody war! >> and that suicide work wasnt counted in the us either! what more if the work was from a corrupt country like the philippines. no wonder japan is thinking of dumping all their garbage in the trash can a.k.a. philippines.

    as for experience, if i dont have any other choice, why volunteer? apply as staff nurse instead, she said. after all, we are professionals now (or maybe professional slaves?) where can you ever find a professional who has to volunteer and "that even doesnt give an assurance that you will be hired". all you get is some certificate! arent ojt's, like in some professions, have decent starting pays? so why not in nursing? what difference do we have with other professionals? and think about having to volunteer at a govt hospital at no fixed duration before being absorbed. i know someone who volunteered for nine months before being absorbed. raaatssss...we are not slaves for crissake...like beggars who beg for hospitals(who take advantage of our ignorance) to hire us:angryfire
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    Quote from reeyah
    philippine nsg experience is not credited in the u.s....and so ar the over-priced trainings/seminars like acls blah blah>> these are all money-making crap!

    an aunt of mine whos been working as a nurse in the us for god-knows-how-long told me so. before immigrating to the us, she has worked in the philippines, as well as libya(middle east) at the height of the bloody war! >> and that suicide work wasnt counted in the us either! what more if the work was from a corrupt country like the philippines. no wonder japan is thinking of dumping all their garbage in the trash can a.k.a. philippines.

    as for experience, if i dont have any other choice, why volunteer? apply as staff nurse instead, she said. after all, we are professionals now (or maybe professional slaves?) where can you ever find a professional who has to volunteer and "that even doesnt give an assurance that you will be hired". all you get is some certificate! arent ojt's, like in some professions, have decent starting pays? so why not in nursing? what difference do we have with other professionals? and think about having to volunteer at a govt hospital at no fixed duration before being absorbed. i know someone who volunteered for nine months before being absorbed. raaatssss...we are not slaves for crissake...like beggars who beg for hospitals(who take advantage of our ignorance) to hire us:angryfire
    sad to say but what you posted re: hospitals here are all true. they take advantage of nurses and other healthcare-related personnel, including medical clerks, interns and residents.

    do you know for a fact that resident doctors generally has a lower pay than a staff nurse? staff nurses' monthly pay can go up to 10-14,000+++ a month (private hospital) because of ots while those residents only get 7-8,000+++ a month (fixed) and they go on duty almost every other day. they are lucky if they get a duty, post, pre-duty schedule. nowadays, it's just duty and post-duty and those two sometimes do not have distinctions anymore.

    ever seen a resident or intern falling asleep or snoozing during an or or seeing them w/ the same clothes the next day (heavily perfumed or cologned). i know you did.
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    Quote from asianrn
    hey caloy...your orientation depends on what unit/deparment you are going. My experiences are only with ED and ICU. I guess for the most part is basically read your nursing books, know your systems, pharmacology, basic knowledge of assessment, your 5 route--there's meds that are IVP, POs, supp, IVPB--or slow IVP, to fast IVP to boluses...don't worry you'll know these stuff eventually..

    IV therapy class? is this the IV insertion class? if it is, you don't need it unless you plan to go to ED. Most hospitals have certified IV therapy team nurses to do the IV insertion for you, from your basic IV lines to PICC lines. Anyway, even if you did go to ED eventually, you'll learn the skills-IV insertion in the unit. Don't worry there will be alot of 'em to practice on, by day 3 you will be good at it. Just save your money if it is expensive..try not take certifications e.g BLS if you have to pay for it. Most hospitals offer this for free, even if you have to pay for the BLS, your hospital will reimburse you for the expenses once you are employed with them. So take it easy...you will have all the learning tools handed to you by your hospital from print outs of policies, procedures, systems review all in one binder!..

    Thank you so much!!!My exact problem.I wasn't able to take IV therapy back in the phils. I'll be on my orientation next week. Fresh grad fr PI, I've never given IVP, IV injections etc. as this was not allowed by our school.thnks a lot!
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    Quote from dindog
    I heard that some US hospitals prefer fresh grads (provided they passed all the required exams) who came from foreign countries because the training, system, ethics and equipment they use in the US are very much different compared here in the Philippines.
    i agree with you. although, i heard it from a hearsay. US setting is very much different from the Philippines. though, i also appreciate having hospital experience here in the Philippines to gain confidence if not with handling state-of-the-art medical equipments but atleast with dealing with different types of patients.
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    First............................................. .................................................. ...........It's always a good thing to carry with you that confidence at work.
    Although it's possible to work abroad with out experience,I think
    it wouldnt be too bad serving your fellowmen at home first even just for a while ....in that way,you won't find yourself asking how does it feel nursing in Philippines once you get your retirement...
    Why hurry?
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    Quote from belot97
    First............................................. .................................................. ...........It's always a good thing to carry with you that confidence at work.
    Although it's possible to work abroad with out experience,I think
    it wouldnt be too bad serving your fellowmen at home first even just for a while ....in that way,you won't find yourself asking how does it feel nursing in Philippines once you get your retirement...
    Why hurry?
    I volunteered for more than a year and though I did not regret it I find it that hospital, a private one, took advantage of us, volunteer nurses. They knew we wanted to have experience and they took us so they can fully staff their floors. Some of the private floors were run by volunteer nurses, they could just have paid us or give us allowance. But they did not because nurses are a dime a dozen. Just to volunteeer we had to pass a nursing exam given by them and the waiting list to get into a volunteer position was long.

    I would not advice somebody here to volunteer. If one wants to work abroad, alot of positions do not require experience. Check the ads in the Manila Bulletin.
    Last edit by Rep on Dec 1, '06
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    Quote from belot97
    first............................................. .................................................. ...........it's always a good thing to carry with you that confidence at work.
    although it's possible to work abroad with out experience,i think
    it wouldnt be too bad serving your fellowmen at home first even just for a while ....in that way,you won't find yourself asking how does it feel nursing in philippines once you get your retirement...
    why hurry?
    yes, i totally agree with you. the only regret i had is that i didn't have the chance to be a nurse in the philippines..i remember during our clinical rotation in the community health center is that, the patients, men, women and children really have a high respect for nurses, i felt really good about it, not like when you work straight from graduation, and work abroad without experience and foreign patients are very different. they are more demanding, and won't hesitate to say what's on their mind, and there are a lot of unhappy patients who wants to make you feel miserable....if that happens to me, i just think back about my experiences as a student nurse in the philippines..to me, if you really want to work abroad? it is wise to at least have a year or two experience in nursing in the philippines. then, you will really appreciate this profession if you are working abroad.yes, in america, nursing setting is way different from the philippines, but you have to remember, we filipinos are very flexible, we can adjust to anything because we are so used to hardships back home, right? goodluck to you all!!! :icon_redface: :holly3: :holly2: :icon_razz:
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    where?
    U.S. of A.
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    This thread just keeps going and going like the Energizer Bunny. Anyway, here's my final thought on gaining experience in the Philippines.

    1. It is quite noble for some of you to think that you have an obligation to serve our countrymen by working in the Philippines for a while before going to work abroad. If that's what you want, more power to you. Just make sure it's a paid staff nurse position.

    2. If what you call as experience is all but volunteer work, you can't use that as work experience. You are basically lying on your resume if you put that in there because that does not qualify as work experience. You may have fooled a prospective employer but you just put your own integrity on the line. In the same manner, you can not put post-graduate training under work experience in your resume.

    3. Post-licensure training in hospitals for a fee is just plain exploitation and should not be patronized. Have some respect for your own RN title and demand nothing less.

    4. BLS, ACLS, IV training etc in the Philippines is OK if you are going to use them to work in the Philippines. You need to know CPR and code blue drugs if you are going to take care of patients. I know there is a code team in the hospitals there (like we do here) but you are responsible to initiate life-saving measures on the scene. IV teams do exist in hospitals here but that does not give you the go-signal to abuse them and ask for their help with each IV start. For the most part, they only assist with difficult IV starts so you have to learn to do them too and practice is the only way you'll become good at it. An IV training session will not make you an expert.

    5. American hospitals require all hospital personnel involved in patient care to have BLS. Because of that they will pay for BLS training for you if you are hired. ACLS is required if you work in step-down, ICU, or ER (PALS for PICU, NICU, peds ER) so those will also be paid for if you get hired in those units. These training sessions are offered on-site in the hospital you'll be working for.

    6. There is an orientation period when you get hired in a hospital here. It's structured and covers every thing you need to learn in the specific unit you are hired into. Hospitals even have lecture sessions and skill stations as part of orientation. In the clinical area, you are paired with a preceptor who is usually an experienced RN. Depending on the type of unit you are hired in, orientation period runs from 6 weeks to 3 months. Take advantage of that training period and try to ask questions, learn skills, and let yourself get acclimated to the unit. Once orientation is over, you're on your own.
    Last edit by juan de la cruz on Dec 4, '06
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