Why do so many nurses from the Philippines come to Canada/USA? - page 9

by lilaclover | 29,567 Views | 128 Comments

I hope nobody takes offense to this question because I certainly don't mean it in any negative way. I am just wondering why so many nurses from the Philippines are coming to Canada and the USA? I always thought the... Read More


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    Quote from skylark
    Not entirely true : )

    Filipino nurse training is actually better in many ways than that of the UK.
    UK nurses train in only one area, adult, kids, mental health or maternity.
    In order to take the NCLEX or other foreign exam, they have to complete training in the other three areas just to be eligible. Their training also has far less Pharmacology and biochemistry content.
    As a UK trained nurse, I can see huge differences in standards between UK and Filipino nurses that I work with.
    And its far easier for a Filipino nurse to approach NCLEX than a UK one, their training is pretty much aligned to the US one. When I took NCLEX, I don't know how I would have done it without my wonderful Filipino team all studying with me on the night shift! Thanks guys!!
    Your off topic but your continual insults to UK nursing is getting somewhat tiresome so I am going to respond

    UK nurse education teaches students to nurse in the UK not the US, why on earth would they want to study to pass the NCLEX when it has no relevance


    Quote from skylark
    You obviously haven't met my current students : )

    We have final placemnt students, who are about to qualifiy.
    They have never heard of the GLasgow Coma Scale.
    OR that there are other antibiotics besides penicillins.
    Never heard of supra-pubic catheters.
    Or how to measure blood glucose.
    What is an arterial blood gas?
    One had not even heard of Multiple sclerosis.

    Their essay skills are second to none, but nursing is not a creative writing type occupation. Patients want to know that they know about analgesia, not about plagarism and learning styles.

    These students are in the greater London area btw.
    I'm here until October, come see for yourself: )

    Nursing in the UK is hard enough without constant negativity from colleagues, mentors and peers. I have had the pleasure of working with some excellent nursing students and have been on the receiving end of care from fantastic UK nurses both as a patient and as a grieving relative. You make it clear in your posts that you desire to leave the UK and how much you hate UK nursing and nurses, I have yet to see a positive comment from you and I find it exceptionally difficult to believe in all of your years of experience you have not found even 1 UK nurse who has impressed you.

    I wonder how these terrible students manage to pass, after all it's the clinical teams and the sign off mentors that have the responsibility for educating and confirming their fitness to practice, are you failing these students as a sign off mentor or are you guilty of passing them even though you are so critical of their practice. Additionally if you have such great concerns that your local nursing school is failing to turn out nurses who are fit to practice then you have a professional duty to report this to the school and if they are still passing these would need need to the NMC as the school is not doing it's job. But then you would need significant evidence to prove your claims wouldn't you.



    Anyway, as I said this is off topic so shall we get back to the original question about why so many nurses from the Philippines want to work in other countries. If you want to discuss the state of nurse education in the UK I suggest you start another thread in the appropriate forum
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    Quote from elkpark
    The fact that Filipino nurses are trained in the US model rather than the UK model doesn't mean that they get "better" education than UK nurses. It just means that they regard the US as a more desirable "export" destination than the UK ...
    Elkpark, with all due respect, while it does seem like the officials of the Phillippine government tend to "pimp" their nurses for export to the highest bidder (and in this case, the US), nursing in the Philippines, from a historical context, have always followed an American persuasion.

    While the Spanish did build hospitals in the Philippines for 400 years of colonial rule, the earliest beginnings of modern public health practices where introduced to the Philippines by the Americans after the US acquired the Philippine Islands when Spain was defeated during the Spanish-American war. The first modern hospitals were built by Americans - Philippine General Hospital (built by Forbes, an American Governor-General of the Islands in 1907), St. Luke's Hospital (built by Episcopalian Americans in 1907), Mary Johnston Hospital (built by American Methodist missionaries in 1907), Mary Chiles Hospital (built by an American physician Dr. Lemon and built from funds from its namesake, a woman from Montana).

    These hospitals were homes to one of the first professional schools of nursing in the Philippines. They definitely followed the American tradition of modern public health and taught nurses using an American curriculum. The early nurse educators there were American nurses. Similarly, the first BSN programs began in the 1940's in three of Manila's universities, the same time most American universities adopted a university-based program of training for nurses.

    This parallels the way, Hong Kong, India, and the other British commonwealth territories and countries in Asia follow a British system of nurse training because of their history.
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    Quote from lactamase
    If it really cause that much dissatisfaction I think I'll start seeing that industry collapse. Make me believe it.
    The entire call center industry does not give a hoot with customer dissatisfaction. It's a well known fact here in the US (and apparently in Australia too) that people hate calling for technical support for anything and then getting someone on the other end who has a thick Indian or Filipino accent you couldn't understand. There's been numerous jokes about it on popular media. Is it going stop? No, not until greedy corporations miraculously make a sacrifice for the good of providing decent paying jobs for Americans instead of hiring cheap labor overseas. Americans have lost their say on this, unfortunately.

    I know this is off topic, but since you brought it up....
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    Quote from juan de la cruz
    The entire call center industry does not give a hoot with customer dissatisfaction. It's a well known fact here in the US (and apparently in Australia too) that people hate calling for technical support for anything and then getting someone on the other end who has a thick Indian or Filipino accent you couldn't understand. There's been numerous jokes about it on popular media. Is it going stop? No, not until greedy corporations miraculously make a sacrifice for the good of providing decent paying jobs for Americans instead of hiring cheap labor overseas. Americans have lost their say on this, unfortunately.

    I know this is off topic, but since you brought it up....

    Why can't they move those call centers to other countries with low cost of manpower? I'm pretty sure Philippines and India are not the only countries with that standard of labor pay....Get it? Exactly my point!
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    How different are American nurses compared to UK nurses when it comes to practicing nursing? Can you give a realistic example. Apply it in a scenario or something like that. They say that nurses from countries like UK don't have to worry if their patient can pay or not unlike in America. Well I do think that's a factor.
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    I wonder how these terrible students manage to pass, after all it's the clinical teams and the sign off mentors that have the responsibility for educating and confirming their fitness to practice, are you failing these students as a sign off mentor or are you guilty of passing them even though you are so critical of their practice. Additionally if you have such great concerns that your local nursing school is failing to turn out nurses who are fit to practice then you have a professional duty to report this to the school and if they are still passing these would need need to the NMC as the school is not doing it's job. But then you would need significant evidence to prove your claims wouldn't you.


    Since you ask, no I don't sign them off, neither do the majority of my coworkers. We have been in dialogue with the university for a long time, and given evidence as to the standards we witness, but it has little effect.

    I will say no more, its off topic, but if you recall my original point was to partially answer why there are so many Filipino nurses in UK hospitals, and I have done that.
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    Quote from lactamase
    Why can't they move those call centers to other countries with low cost of manpower? I'm pretty sure Philippines and India are not the only countries with that standard of labor pay....Get it? Exactly my point!
    What's there to get? I could have phrased your sentence as: why would the profit-conscious call center industry waste money on training people from Timbuktu to speak English so that they can work for peanuts in overseas call centers when the dirt cheap alternative in the world are the people from the Philippines whose English is not stellar but "good enough" to get by for a very small fraction of the cost compared to employing native English speakers in their own homelands where the call center services are utilized. As a citizen of the US, I hold my Filipino heritage with high esteem but the "call center boom" as you put it quite proudly in your post is certainly not a strong point of pride for the country if you ask my opinion.

    And just as an observation on my part, I've worked with a lot of Indian immigrants in the US from physicians, scientists, nurses, engineers, etc. Definitely one of the most brilliant individuals I've worked with who can speak perfect English in terms of grammar and breadth of vocabulary -- if you can get past their accents. Filipinos claim to be good in English but come on, read some of the posts here on allnurses and decide for yourself if that statement is even true.
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    Quote from lactamase
    They say that nurses from countries like UK don't have to worry if their patient can pay or not unlike in America.
    Huh? where did you get the idea that nurses in "America" worry if their patient can pay or not?
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    Quote from lactamase
    How different are American nurses compared to UK nurses when it comes to practicing nursing? Can you give a realistic example. Apply it in a scenario or something like that. They say that nurses from countries like UK don't have to worry if their patient can pay or not unlike in America. Well I do think that's a factor.
    I've been a working RN in the US for 25+ years, and have never "worried" for a single moment about whether a client can pay or not, or had that influence my decision process or the care I provide. In most cases, I (and the rest of the nursing staff) don't even know whether, or how, the individual's care is being paid for. The people who are concerned about payment are the people at the top of the hospital administration, not the direct care personnel.
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    Quote from elkpark
    I've been a working RN in the US for 25+ years, and have never "worried" for a single moment about whether a client can pay or not, or had that influence my decision process or the care I provide. In most cases, I (and the rest of the nursing staff) don't even know whether, or how, the individual's care is being paid for. The people who are concerned about payment are the people at the top of the hospital administration, not the direct care personnel.
    I am a nurse practitioner in a world renowned medical center where we would go as far as consider transplanting a new organ to an undocumented immigrant who has no means to pay for the insane amount of dollars that will be spent on their care. I think lactamase has some issues mixed up or is it a matter of not being able to make his point across well, maybe?


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