Who's to blame for having oversupply of nurses here???...

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1. Ourselves

2. Relatives

3. Government

4. Schools

5. Media (T.V., Advertisements on Broadsheets)

I choose myself, why??? for believing on news on T.V.that there is a huge shortage of nurses and easily get carried by the vast amount of advertisements saying I'll have a great opportunity coming to U.S.. Assuming that graduating only as a BSN and passing the NLE and NCLEX is enough. I am also blaming myself for listening to C.I.s and lecturers and those in review centers with their sweet words which just gives us false hope. You... what is your story... do you blame yourself?

This is the reality i am facing now... If only... lot's of it...:banghead:

Specializes in Neuro-Surgery, Med-Surg, Home Health.

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To narutoidol:

If you don't blame the current problems to the people who have the authority to improve things over there in the Philippines then nothing will be accomplished. Blame the government officials for allowing too many schools of nursing to operate in the Philippines, blame the school authorities for providing sub-standard education and training to their students and blame the unqualified student nurses and their parents for enrolling their sons and daughters in nursing schools.

Being a "volunteer" in a government hospital instead of working as a gainfully employed nurse is one proof of the profound problems of the nursing profession in the Philippines. There are too many nurses in the Philippines and hundreds of thousands more are in the pipeline means the competition for nursing jobs in the Philippines will be that much more intense in the near future.

The roots of the problem are that there are too many student nurses who should not have been accepted in nursing schools in the first place. And sub-standard schools of nursing are being allowed to continually operate by the Philippine government. Four hundred schools of nursing in the Philippines is too many for a country the size of the Philippines. Therefore, the Philippines is churning out poorly educated nurses many of whom cannot even pass the local nursing licensure examination.

Wait until those 950,000 student nurses graduate from nursing schools in a few short years. With so many of them poorly educated, expect the same results as in past years when those student nurses take the local nursing licensure examination. Less than half of them will pass the examination. For the sake of conversation, say 400,000 of them become licensed nurses, how and where would those nurses find jobs in the Philippines?

The U.S. has retrogression, therefore it would be many years before any of those nurses will have that vaunted interview in the U.S. Embassy in Manila. From what I've read in this forum the European Union countries no longer employ nurses from the Philippines with BSN degrees as nurses, but only as caregivers or as nursing assistants.

There are fewer and fewer countries where Filipino nurses can immigrate to. Yes, Australia and New Zealand still import nurses from the Philippines, but can you honestly believe that those two countries with relatively small populations can absorb the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of unemployed nurses from the Philippines? You can expect that those countries to hire only the best nurses from top schools of nursing in the Philippines.

That leaves the Middle Eastern countries. Those countries pay foreign nurses less than $1,000/month. Admittedly, that amount is more than the $200/month that nurses get paid in the Philippines. But $1,000/month is so much less than the starting salary of nurses $8,000+ in major cities in California.

Congratulations to you for passing the CGFNS, NCLEX and IELTS. I assume that your first choice is the U.S. and I can understand that. Let's just hope that you can immigrate to the U.S. someday. You'll need lots of luck personally because you will be competing with over half a million or more other Filipino nurses.

Over-supply of nurses in the Philippines? Yes, indeed.

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To Daly City RN:

Thanks for the wonderful post, and since you were born and raised in PI, perhaps others will take notice of what you are saying and what you are seeing.

Thanks again, it is truly appreciated.

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to daly city rn,,

nice post,,,,blame also the greedy owner of the nursing school in the PI,,,

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to daly city rn,,

nice post,,,,blame also the greedy owner of the nursing school in the PI,,,

Still the blame needs to be with the government first and foremost for permitting these greedy owners to open their schools. And wonder how many of them would permit a graduate of one of their programs to care for them or their family member.

This should be a requirement and then suspect that things would change, as well as government officials that approve of these shoddy programs also be required to be cared for by the graduate of such programs, but then you have a problem with that, as there are some schools that are open and yet to have one student actually take and pass the NLE. But the government permits them to remain open.

Suggest a grading system be in place and posted where prospective students can actually get an idea of how many that have started have completed the program and the number of graduates that have passed the NLE the first time sitting for it. That would be the best thing that could be done and the 100 schools at the bottom get closed and they get their monies refunded by the owners of these sad programs.

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Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

Not sure why everyone is blaming everyone but the ones that decide more and more schools need opening. The demand is outweighing the availability and most countries expect a pass in local boards and if they are not gaining experience as a student because too many students and not enough patients how can they be expected to pass local boards. I feel hands on experience helps put the books into perspective and if you have x amount of students looking after 1-2 patients there is no way to gain that experience under the watchful eye of a trained nurse. It is a shame as I have met some wonderful nurses from the Philippines but have also met some who struggle.

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as a reluctant would be nurse (fully fledged hopefully by June) i say that there ought to be more regulation on who gets to study nursing...correct me if im wrong, but i think there's this law that states that only those in the upper 20% of their graduating high school class can enroll in a BSN course...yet, after four years of interaction with fellow student nurses from other schools ,and even from my school, i noticed that that criteria does'nt apply anymore...i've met student nurses who are, so uhm, so-so...there was this 4th yr student for example who couldnt differentiate edema from enema...students on duty in a psychiatric ward who conducted a mock beauty pageant for their patients...and worse, a student nurse who was rather proud about his being a member of a violent gang and that he uses crystal meth...

perhaps a national career exam that tells people what college course they should take would help...

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Thank you very much for posting that, and it backs up exactly what I have been saying for so long. And if you are seeing issues with your full four year program, you can only imagine what it is like in some of the second courser programs.

Until those of you that are there start complaining to the government to clean up the mess that they have made, then things are not going to get any better. And you must not rely on another country to automatically give everyone a job that wants one, that is not how things work here in the US or anyplace else.

Students/nurses also need to take some responsibility for their training and if they are not getting what they are supposed to be, then they need to complain first to their school before anything else.

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perhaps a national career exam that tells people what college course they should take would help...
This is what I was proposing from some time in the forums but not a test to tell them what they ought to take for college but rather a specific exam such as a National Nursing Admissions Test (NNAT) similar to what they do to would-be medical students (NMAT) should be greatly considered.

And since it will also be used to limit students then there should be a clause that only students with a certain rating will be able to enroll in any nursing program. This is impt. as we do not want those with low ratings being picked up by low standard schools. So, this is like hitting 2 birds in one stone. We are limiting the number of possible nursing students over-all and preventing or limiting low-standard schools in just picking up any student to become their students.

It is up to the PNA and the BON to suggest this to CHED. Upper 20% from one school is simply not objective enough. The upper 20% of one school in a far away province with x students is not the same as the upper 20% from a school in the metropolis area with xxx students.

Also, the rating from this exam should be the main basis for accepting students and not on the school's personal preferences. Some big-time schools discriminately do not accept 2nd-coursers, have height limits, age limits or whatever they think of.

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In the US, most programs have an entry exam as well. This is not some strange phenomenon.

And as Lawrence stated, taking the top 20% means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Much tighter control of the schools that are open as well as closure of the ones that do not have satisfactory number of graduates that can pass the NLE the first time.

In the US, if they do not have sufficient number of passers, they lose their accreditation. And the school is forced to close if not corrected rather quickly.

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Specializes in Med/Surg/Med-Tele/SDU/ED.
upper 20% from one school is simply not objective enough. the upper 20% of one school in a far away province with x students is not the same as the upper 20% from a school in the metropolis area with xxx students.

you are correct. i agree that applying the same curve--via a national exam--is the best way to do this.

however, this had been criticized as being "biased" against people outside manila.

i don't know how using a strictly objective criteria can be labelled as "biased," but there you go.

also, the rating from this exam should be the main basis for accepting students and not on the school's personal preferences. some big-time schools discriminately do not accept 2nd-coursers, have height limits, age limits or whatever they think of.

:lol2:

i have an idea which schools you are referring to.

it's kinda sad, these little people lording it over their little kingdoms.

their prejudice speaks volumes about their ethics and principles.

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This is what I was proposing from some time in the forums but not a test to tell them what they ought to take for college but rather a specific exam such as a National Nursing Admissions Test (NNAT) similar to what they do to would-be medical students (NMAT) should be greatly considered.

And since it will also be used to limit students then there should be a clause that only students with a certain rating will be able to enroll in any nursing program. This is impt. as we do not want those with low ratings being picked up by low standard schools. So, this is like hitting 2 birds in one stone. We are limiting the number of possible nursing students over-all and preventing or limiting low-standard schools in just picking up any student to become their students.

It is up to the PNA and the BON to suggest this to CHED. Upper 20% from one school is simply not objective enough. The upper 20% of one school in a far away province with x students is not the same as the upper 20% from a school in the metropolis area with xxx students.

Also, the rating from this exam should be the main basis for accepting students and not on the school's personal preferences. Some big-time schools discriminately do not accept 2nd-coursers, have height limits, age limits or whatever they think of.

Before someone can mis-interpret me, just want to say that there are many excellent schools or universities outside Manila and what I am actually referring to are the typical or average nursing schools.

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however, this had been criticized as being "biased" against people outside manila.

i don't know how using a strictly objective criteria can be labelled as "biased," but there you go.

i really can't think of any straight-forward, objective way of admitting prospective nursing students than a national admissions test. if they are labeling this as bias then they are admitting that high school students from provinces are sub-par from the national standard and a national board exam after graduation is bias as well. they don't want a nnat because it will severely cut some businesses because everything will become objective.

**for people not familiar with national admissions tests, this has been regularly used to objectively carve down applicants and minimize subjective preference of some big schools of certain graduates and non-admission of graduates of rival schools in entering their programs. with the out of control students being admitted in nursing schools, this could not be most appropriate and timely to be implemented.

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