Visa Screen for June 2006 Philippine Nursing Exam - page 4

this is the latest news from cgfns. just in. commission on graduates of foreign nursing schools (cgfns international) statement regarding visascreen® eligibility of philippine nurses taking the... Read More

  1. by   bonsai_25
    Quote from freeandsingle
    Really, pink20, i think you need to read all the threads first, read all the links, read everything. These people already answered most of your questions. Read the news too.
    I am sorry I'm sure she read everything about the nursing leakage issue, she was just pointing out.. that there wasn't an article written before that clearly stated or in black and white stating that the batch is banned or something. They can assume that the news already stated it clearly what the ncsbn or cgfns want.. or they can assume its not in black and white yet, its entirely up to the reader. All I know is this issue is not over yet.

    Anyway, the Court of Appeals decision allowed the passers to take their oaths and licenses. There was no article that said otherwise.

    Supreme court? The group petitioned already to reverse the court of appeal's decision.. there isn't any hearing yet that I know of.. so there is no Supreme court's decision hence.. I'm pretty sure there is no news about that. :trout:
    Last edit by bonsai_25 on Nov 8, '06
  2. by   pink_20
    Quote from freeandsingle
    Really, pink20, i think you need to read all the threads first, read all the links, read everything. These people already answered most of your questions. Read the news too.
    Actually I have read everything they posted here, but what I am asking for is that where did they got these news from and can they give me the exact link. As far as the news is concerned.the UST group filed a petition to the SC because they want the decision of the CA to be reversed by the SC. The supreme court never said not to issue the licenses of the batch 2006 and they actually have not given any statement yet regarding this issue and it seems like you are misleading the people reading the posts in this forum. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if you are spreading news that does not have a reliable source is really wrong.
  3. by   pink_20
    Quote from freeandsingle
    CGFNS does not give or deny visas. They issue the visa screen certificate. Again, please read all the threads concerning the NLE issue first.
    yup i know....i stand corrected...what i meant was the cgfns never said that they will not issue VSC to the june06 batch. The cgfns already gave the statement wherein they said that the licenses of june06 batch is valid.
  4. by   suzanne4
    Quote from pink_20
    yup i know....i stand corrected...what i meant was the cgfns never said that they will not issue VSC to the june06 batch. The cgfns already gave the statement wherein they said that the licenses of june06 batch is valid.
    Sorry but CGFNS did not say that the licenses were valid, they said that they were considering each one on its own merit and that any license given overseas need to be obtained under the same standards that are required to get a license in the US.

    And per US rulings, no matter what licensing exam, if there are issues with it when it was given, then it needs to be retaken, the entire exam, and by all. This has actually happened in several areas, including even the law bar, which is what the exam is called that lawyers must pass in the US.

    And that is what CGFNS has stated multiple times. Please take a look again at what they have posted. And then you show me one person that has gotten a VSC that took that exam, the only ones that are posting are talking about their friends that got denied.

    Look, it makes no difference to me as to what you do, but I have been helping foreign nurses be able to work in the US for more than 20 years, so I do have some experience in the field, as well as teaching foreign nurses.
    And have worked with many nurses from the Philippines for more than that length of time.

    And as I keep saying, if you do not follow what you need to do, and do it properly, it will trun around and bite you on the butt. And if you take the time to look at page 14 of the VSC Handbook on the CGFNS site, it will explain everything in detail to you. Until a couple of months ago, that page was all of a few sentences. Since the issues with the NLE, it is now an entire page. And they are not lying and trying to scare anyone when they say that they will cancel a VSC, and then that is grounds for immediate deportation.

    You are quite free to do as you want, but never say that you were not warned.
  5. by   pink_20
    But the CGFNS never suggested anything to resolve this issue and they stated that they respect what the philippine court's decision. What bothers me is that the Supreme Court hasnt given any statement yet but I read the posts here saying that the Supreme Court doe not want to issue the licenses of the june06 batch.where did you get that news?
  6. by   bogart06
    For clarification, THE PHILIPPINE SUPREME COURT HAS NOT SAID ANYTHING about the leakage issue. Several parties led by the UST group of Prof. Tadle (President of UST Faculty) had filed an appeal to the decision of the Court of Appeals allowing the Oathtaking and Registration of the June 2006 NLE passers. But that's it at the moment.....Court hearings on the appeal is on-going.... but NO WORD OR RULING CAME FROM THE SUPREME COURT THAT LICENCES NOT BE ISSUED!!!! In fact, registration and issuance of licenses for those who passed the June 2006 NLE are on-going!!!

    Bogart06
  7. by   corrupted_caregiver
    Hello. I have heard that CGFNS is reviewing if the NLE is in the acceptable range to the US standard. And their going to release their decision int the near future. It specifically refers to the June 2006 Passers.

    I have talked to someone regarding that and she said the she will sign a waiver nullifying her June 2006 result. Will CGFNS approve the Visa screen of the said applicant (rather than defer the application) the said applicant??
  8. by   lawrence01
    Quote from corrupted_caregiver
    Hello. I have heard that CGFNS is reviewing if the NLE is in the acceptable range to the US standard. And their going to release their decision int the near future. It specifically refers to the June 2006 Passers.

    I have talked to someone regarding that and she said the she will sign a waiver nullifying her June 2006 result. Will CGFNS approve the Visa screen of the said applicant (rather than defer the application) the said applicant??
    Yes, they are. You can read the official newsletter from their website and the link was already posted in the 1st page of this thread.

    If she's gonna re-take there would be no problem. If just nullify and not re-take makes no difference would it? Besides, when an applicant signs their name in the application forms they agree to disclose all information and certify it as being accurate or risk the certificate being revoked later on when it was later found out.

    Remember, the list of all those who passed the exams are already in the hands of those who needs to know, namely, CGFNS, recruiters and employers.

    One poster already posted here that a friend of hers was already denied the VSC certificate.
  9. by   angelcharm
    Quote from pink_20
    but the cgfns never suggested anything to resolve this issue and they stated that they respect what the philippine court's decision. what bothers me is that the supreme court hasnt given any statement yet but i read the posts here saying that the supreme court doe not want to issue the licenses of the june06 batch.where did you get that news?
    u r absolutely right.. most forumers here has mistaken that the court of appeals and the supreme court is the same. and i have read that some of them here do not understand the justice system and the philippine constitution. and the reasons behind the court of appeal's decision.

    the supreme court (highest court) has not given any statement bcoz it was jsut recently that the ust has filed another complaint... this means that the ca's decision of
    1.allowing everyone to take their oath,
    2. get their license,
    3. and charging those who were proven to benefit from the leak
    still continues..

    then there are also charges filed against ust by individuals, the parents and by the alliance of nursing all over the country.

    in fact, the first batch to have their oath taking already have their license.
    if, however proven that the license holder benefitted from the leak then their licenses are subject for revocation. you can t just take away someone's license without proving that the person holding the title has violated ra 9173

    there are some who are retaking the exam to prove their worth. however, most people who signed the waiver to nullify their june board exam (because they assume they will come out clean of this issue) are those comming from the alleged review centers. they know that if ever they will be proven to have benefitted... then their licenses will be revoked. while if they get out of the june examinees theyd still be alive.. hehe..

    i do not see why everyone should be condemned. i remember one senator saying, "u can not burn the whole house down if u found a bad mouse."





  10. by   icing
    FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WHO HAVE NOT READ THIS...
    CLARIFICATION STATEMENT OF CGFNS - faxed to PRC dated 11/01/06

    "CGFNS does not believe at present time that all legal challenges (of NLE) have been fully and finaly resolved."

    "CGFNS emphasizes that it accepts and all respects the judgement of the Philippine courts and regards all licenses obtained following the June '06 exam as valid nursing licenses. CGFNS is required by US law, however, to make a judgement about whether June 06 LICENSURE PROCESS was comparable to that required for a US nurse."
  11. by   corrupted_caregiver
    Lawrence,

    Now if the said girl retook the exam, does it matter to CGFNS the outcome of the exam? I mean pass or fail? Is she now clear for approval of her application?



    Corrupted
  12. by   suzanne4
    Quote from icing
    FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WHO HAVE NOT READ THIS...
    CLARIFICATION STATEMENT OF CGFNS - faxed to PRC dated 11/01/06

    "CGFNS does not believe at present time that all legal challenges (of NLE) have been fully and finaly resolved."

    "CGFNS emphasizes that it accepts and all respects the judgement of the Philippine courts and regards all licenses obtained following the June '06 exam as valid nursing licenses. CGFNS is required by US law, however, to make a judgement about whether June 06 LICENSURE PROCESS was comparable to that required for a US nurse."
    And US process dictates that a retake be done, same as would happen if anything was not considered above board in the US. This is what CGFNS is referring to.

    The same rules need to be followed as those of the US if the nurse wishes to work in the US.

    End of story.

    and p.s. The original list that was posted of all of the 17,000 plus passers in in the hands of all depts where it matters in the US. Such as the BONs for each state, USCIS, US Embassy, and CGFNS offices.

    CGFNS would never have come out with the entire page 14 in the handbook if there were not issues with that exam. You can argue over it until the cows come home, but it is not going to change the status of anyone that took that exam and does not do a retake.

    Think about it from the other side of the coin, what if you were the employer in the US? If any issues come out later over this nurse, you could also be sued for something...........a chance not many are willing to take, and for wht reason? Especially if you get more applicants than there are positions in the more desireable areas?
  13. by   lawrence01
    Quote from corrupted_caregiver
    Lawrence,

    Now if the said girl retook the exam, does it matter to CGFNS the outcome of the exam? I mean pass or fail? Is she now clear for approval of her application?



    Corrupted
    If she already took the exam and wants to clear her name then she must re-take it and if one is going to take an exam one always thinks of passing the exam. Besides, if she passed the previous exam under the original computation then there's a high probability that she can pass it again. Just a matter of formality.

    Wouldn't a re-take be less expensive than applying for a $398 VSC that has a high probability to be denied anyway.

    Maybe your friend can call CGFNS directly or ask around for those that applied for VSC already.

    All I can say is whatever her decision is she must decide now to be included in the Dec. batch (if she wishes to re-take). If she can't decide now then she has to wait for the next one, w/c is June 2007.

    Above comments are just my opinion. People can do whatever they want.

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