Visa Screen for June 2006 Philippine Nursing Exam - page 2

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  1. by   suzanne4
    Quote from nurse_plush
    as a june 06 passer who already obtained his/her license, then one can apply for their services (cgfns exam, ces etc.) aside from the visascreen since there was no announcement that these passers can't apply for them?
    cgfns has said that they abide by the courts, and the courts do not agree with prc issuing the license. they have stated that they will not give permission to sit for the cgfns exam based on the nle exam of june and they will not issue a vsc as there is no license to verifiy that they accept.

    they have stated that requirements must be followed as in the us, and that is if there is an issue with any licensing exam, the entire exam in retaken by all. not just a part, or from a certain location if there are issues such as what went on with the above.

    you are also going to find it increasingly hard to find an employer, all that i have spoken with are not willing to touch a nurse that took that exam without a retake, and that is from hr people all over the country. you may find a nursing home or an unscrupulous agency to take you, but as far as finding hospital work, they facility could be open to lawsuits later on, etc. and from a risk manangment standpoint, none are willing to go that route.

    and
  2. by   suzanne4
    Quote from nurse_plush
    as a june 06 passer who already obtained his/her license, then one can apply for their services (cgfns exam, ces etc.) aside from the visascreen since there was no announcement that these passers can't apply for them?
    cgfns has said that they abide by the courts, and the courts do not agree with prc issuing the license. they have stated that they will not give permission to sit for the cgfns exam based on the nle exam of june and they will not issue a vsc as there is no license to verifiy that they accept.

    they have stated that requirements must be followed as in the us, and that is if there is an issue with any licensing exam, the entire exam in retaken by all. not just a part, or from a certain location if there are issues such as what went on with the above.

    you are also going to find it increasingly hard to find an employer, all that i have spoken with are not willing to touch a nurse that took that exam without a retake, and that is from hr people all over the country. you may find a nursing home or an unscrupulous agency to take you, but as far as finding hospital work, they facility could be open to lawsuits later on, etc. and from a risk manangment standpoint, none are willing to go that route.

    and you
  3. by   suzanne4
    Quote from nurse_plush
    as a june 06 passer who already obtained his/her license, then one can apply for their services (cgfns exam, ces etc.) aside from the visascreen since there was no announcement that these passers can't apply for them?
    cgfns has said that they abide by the courts, and the courts do not agree with prc issuing the license. they have stated that they will not give permission to sit for the cgfns exam based on the nle exam of june and they will not issue a vsc as there is no license to verifiy that they accept.

    they have stated that requirements must be followed as in the us, and that is if there is an issue with any licensing exam, the entire exam in retaken by all. not just a part, or from a certain location if there are issues such as what went on with the above.

    you are also going to find it increasingly hard to find an employer, all that i have spoken with are not willing to touch a nurse that took that exam without a retake, and that is from hr people all over the country. you may find a nursing home or an unscrupulous agency to take you, but as far as finding hospital work, they facility could be open to lawsuits later on, etc. and from a risk manangment standpoint, none are willing to go that route.

    and you cannot
  4. by   suzanne4
    Quote from nurse_plush
    as a june 06 passer who already obtained his/her license, then one can apply for their services (cgfns exam, ces etc.) aside from the visascreen since there was no announcement that these passers can't apply for them?
    cgfns has said that they abide by the courts, and the courts do not agree with prc issuing the license. they have stated that they will not give permission to sit for the cgfns exam based on the nle exam of june and they will not issue a vsc as there is no license to verifiy that they accept.

    they have stated that requirements must be followed as in the us, and that is if there is an issue with any licensing exam, the entire exam in retaken by all. not just a part, or from a certain location if there are issues such as what went on with the above.

    you are also going to find it increasingly hard to find an employer, all that i have spoken with are not willing to touch a nurse that took that exam without a retake, and that is from hr people all over the country. you may find a nursing home or an unscrupulous agency to take you, but as far as finding hospital work, they facility could be open to lawsuits later on, etc. and from a risk manangment standpoint, none are willing to go that route.

    and you cannot get
  5. by   suzanne4
    Quote from nurse_plush
    as a june 06 passer who already obtained his/her license, then one can apply for their services (cgfns exam, ces etc.) aside from the visascreen since there was no announcement that these passers can't apply for them?
    cgfns has said that they abide by the courts, and the courts do not agree with prc issuing the license. they have stated that they will not give permission to sit for the cgfns exam based on the nle exam of june and they will not issue a vsc as there is no license to verifiy that they accept.

    they have stated that requirements must be followed as in the us, and that is if there is an issue with any licensing exam, the entire exam in retaken by all. not just a part, or from a certain location if there are issues such as what went on with the above.

    you are also going to find it increasingly hard to find an employer, all that i have spoken with are not willing to touch a nurse that took that exam without a retake, and that is from hr people all over the country. you may find a nursing home or an unscrupulous agency to take you, but as far as finding hospital work, they facility could be open to lawsuits later on, etc. and from a risk manangment standpoint, none are willing to go that route.

    and you cannot get thru
  6. by   suzanne4
    Quote from nurse_plush
    as a june 06 passer who already obtained his/her license, then one can apply for their services (cgfns exam, ces etc.) aside from the visascreen since there was no announcement that these passers can't apply for them?
    cgfns has said that they abide by the courts, and the courts do not agree with prc issuing the license. they have stated that they will not give permission to sit for the cgfns exam based on the nle exam of june and they will not issue a vsc as there is no license to verifiy that they accept.

    they have stated that requirements must be followed as in the us, and that is if there is an issue with any licensing exam, the entire exam in retaken by all. not just a part, or from a certain location if there are issues such as what went on with the above.

    you are also going to find it increasingly hard to find an employer, all that i have spoken with are not willing to touch a nurse that took that exam without a retake, and that is from hr people all over the country. you may find a nursing home or an unscrupulous agency to take you, but as far as finding hospital work, they facility could be open to lawsuits later on, etc. and from a risk manangment standpoint, none are willing to go that route.

    and you cannot get thru the
  7. by   suzanne4
    Quote from nurse_plush
    as a june 06 passer who already obtained his/her license, then one can apply for their services (cgfns exam, ces etc.) aside from the visascreen since there was no announcement that these passers can't apply for them?
    cgfns has said that they abide by the courts, and the courts do not agree with prc issuing the license. they have stated that they will not give permission to sit for the cgfns exam based on the nle exam of june and they will not issue a vsc as there is no license to verifiy that they accept.

    they have stated that requirements must be followed as in the us, and that is if there is an issue with any licensing exam, the entire exam in retaken by all. not just a part, or from a certain location if there are issues such as what went on with the above.

    you are also going to find it increasingly hard to find an employer, all that i have spoken with are not willing to touch a nurse that took that exam without a retake, and that is from hr people all over the country. you may find a nursing home or an unscrupulous agency to take you, but as far as finding hospital work, they facility could be open to lawsuits later on, etc. and from a risk manangment standpoint, none are willing to go that route.

    and you cannot get thru the visa
  8. by   suzanne4
    Quote from nurse_plush
    as a june 06 passer who already obtained his/her license, then one can apply for their services (cgfns exam, ces etc.) aside from the visascreen since there was no announcement that these passers can't apply for them?
    cgfns has said that they abide by the courts, and the courts do not agree with prc issuing the license. they have stated that they will not give permission to sit for the cgfns exam based on the nle exam of june and they will not issue a vsc as there is no license to verifiy that they accept.

    they have stated that requirements must be followed as in the us, and that is if there is an issue with any licensing exam, the entire exam in retaken by all. not just a part, or from a certain location if there are issues such as what went on with the above.

    you are also going to find it increasingly hard to find an employer, all that i have spoken with are not willing to touch a nurse that took that exam without a retake, and that is from hr people all over the country. you may find a nursing home or an unscrupulous agency to take you, but as far as finding hospital work, they facility could be open to lawsuits later on, etc. and from a risk manangment standpoint, none are willing to go that route.

    and you cannot get thru the visa screen process, therefore you cannot get a visa issued to work in the us. a license from the philippines based on the june exam has no credibility in the us at all.
    Last edit by suzanne4 on Nov 6, '06
  9. by   angelcharm
    Quote from suzanne4
    cgfns has said that they abide by the courts, and the courts do not agree with prc issuing the license. they have stated that they will not give permission to sit for the cgfns exam based on the nle exam of june and they will not issue a vsc as there is no license to verifiy that they accept.

    they have stated that requirements must be followed as in the us, and that is if there is an issue with any licensing exam, the entire exam in retaken by all. not just a part, or from a certain location if there are issues such as what went on with the above.

    you are also going to find it increasingly hard to find an employer, all that i have spoken with are not willing to touch a nurse that took that exam without a retake, and that is from hr people all over the country. you may find a nursing home or an unscrupulous agency to take you, but as far as finding hospital work, they facility could be open to lawsuits later on, etc. and from a risk manangment standpoint, none are willing to go that route.

    and you cannot get thru the visa screen process, therefore you cannot get a visa issued to work in the us. a license from the philippines based on the june exam has no credibility in the us at all.


    can u give me the link that says the court doesnt agree with the prc issuing a license?!
    i have not heard or read of such. but, there are protesters to the court of appeals' decision by
    1. those passers who now flunked after the original scores were returned
    2. the ust wanting to regain their school's rating
    3. and internal conflict between prc and dole

    if the court does not agree then why did the court of appeals decided to allow the oath taking, the registration and the return of the original scores?
    the protesters would have to file another case... that would hold again these nurses... to the higher court!

    if requirements should be followed in the us, then the way i see it, local board is not a determinant for one to become a nurse in the us. you have already said that a license from the phil based on the june exam has no credibility in the us at all...
    not all states require the cgfns. for as long as they pass the nclex-rn, then they can be certified nurses

    the chances of lawsuit is always there whether you are a 2006 graduate or not.. and if you say that none are willing to take that route, then they should have only hired those who can make 100% in the board exams.. only those who were made to perfection who can not make a single mistake.. forget the "pass or fail" marking in the nclex...

    therefore push for a percentage average in the board and admit only those who topped the exams and forget about hospital screenings, the trainings and the need for more hands.. and the shortage.. hehe...
    in the first place, both topnotchers and average passers have equal chances of doing an excellent job or committing a horrible mistake.

    cgfns is a money making business. they would loose millions not only from the exam ... but also another millions of money from remittances that these nurses can bring back to the economy..:spin:


    Last edit by angelcharm on Nov 6, '06
  10. by   Rep
    Quote from angelcharm
    Not all states require the CGFNS. For as long as they pass the NCLEX-RN, then they can be certified nurses
    You are right! Only a few states require CGFNS certificate but there are some states that require the services of CGFNS who do the CVS.

    And the federal requirement for the issuance of the Immigrant Visa is the Visa Screen Certificate which is issue by the CGFNS/ICHP.

    In a way, we can not escape the watchful eyes of CGFNS and all of us Filipino nurses will pass under them whether we go through the CGFNS or NCLEX route when we apply for the Visa Screen Certificate.

    CGFNS can do anything they want when it comes to foreign applicants in meeting the US standard and if Filipino nurses want to work in the US then they have to do what is proper and required by CGFNS.

    This thing could have been avoided if we have good resourceful people at PRC but what can we do if the PRC chairman is the personal dentist of GMA?

    In my opinion, all these retakes of certain portions of the exams by certain groups of examinees are just band aid solutions and does not address the problem. Our governwent officials do not have the political will to do what is right and proper and that is why we are in this mess and the ones who are sufferring are the nurses.
  11. by   angelcharm
    Quote from rep
    you are right! only a few states require cgfns certificate but there are some states that require the services of cgfns who do the cvs.

    and the federal requirement for the issuance of the immigrant visa is the visa screen certificate which is issue by the cgfns/ichp.

    in a way, we can not escape the watchful eyes of cgfns and all of us filipino nurses will pass under them whether we go through the cgfns or nclex route when we apply for the visa screen certificate.

    cgfns can do anything they want when it comes to foreign applicants in meeting the us standard and if filipino nurses want to work in the us then they have to do what is proper and required by cgfns.
    they really should scrutinize everyone.. and not just the passers of 2k6.

    i see your point. but if u already made it in the nclex, y would they be dwelling on ur local board exam when they can question your nclex result and competence ? (jst wondering...hehe )
    i know a few people who did not even make it in the local boards.. who flunked the nle but made it in the nclex and are now working as us-rn...

    this thing could have been avoided if we have good resourceful people at prc but what can we do if the prc chairman is the personal dentist of gma?
    the prc chairman who went against gma's executive order?!.... wow... very nice friends... no wonder gma merged the prc with dole... and appointed a different head who will take over...


    in my opinion, all these retakes of certain portions of the exams by certain groups of examinees are just band aid solutions and does not address the problem. our governwent officials do not have the political will to do what is right and proper and that is why we are in this mess and the ones who are sufferring are the nurses.
    its a sad truth.
  12. by   Rep
    they really should scrutinize everyone.. and not just the passers of 2k6.
    they really are regarding of what nle batch . it is that cgfns started to pay particular attention on the june 2006 and the manner how it was conducted. cgfns even release a newsletter regarding the june 2006 takers and it will affect them when they apply for the vsc.

    they even gave a hint that in the us, if an exam is tainted, a total retake is done and said that it is "unusual" for the prc to order for a retake on some sections and also the recomputation process.

    i see your point. but if u already made it in the nclex, y would they be dwelling on ur local board exam when they can question your nclex result and competence ? (jst wondering...hehe )
    i know a few people who did not even make it in the local boards.. who flunked the nle but made it in the nclex and are now working as us-rn...
    just the same, when a filipino nurse applies for the vsc, they will ask the nurse if he/she has a prc license and if that nurse is a june 2006 passer then he/she has to admit it. if the nurse denies it, it will bring troubles later when cgfns will find out and will lead to revocation of the vsc and the green card.

    even if the applicant is a nclex passer, it does not mean his /her june june 2006 license does not matter anymore to cgfns. it still does.

    that is why, if filipino nurses want to work in the us, they should immediately apply and take the nclex instead of taking the nle first. it is just a waste of time.

    the prc chairman who went against gma's executive order?!.... wow... very nice friends... no wonder gma merged the prc with dole... and appointed a different head who will take over...
    my point is, we should put people who are worthy of experience and credibility instead based on having a personal or professional relationship with gma. by the way, gma had flip flop a lot on this issue, first, she ordered for a retake of the sections and then a total retake and then a wait and see the court decision . that does not make her an effective leader on this issue.

    and also having a dentist whose job is pulling the presidents' teeth with out the proper credentials and experience and put her in a position as chairman of the prc is not an easy matter. the job of the prc chairman can not be handled by a person who has not experience running an organization.

    she should go back where she is good at, that is pulling teeth.

    its a sad truth.
    agree
  13. by   angelcharm
    Quote from rep
    they really are regarding of what nle batch . it is that cgfns started to pay particular attention on the june 2006 and the manner how it was conducted. cgfns even release a newsletter regarding the june 2006 takers and it will affect them when they apply for the vsc.

    they even gave a hint that in the us, if an exam is tainted, a total retake is done and said that it is "unusual" for the prc to order for a retake on some sections and also the recomputation process.
    tell me where they have said, that they are not going to accept and allow nle 06passers?! ive never heard of a black and white statement..
    y would they go through all the scrutinizing of papers, backgrounds, cgfns exam if they are not open for consideration?

    just the same, when a filipino nurse applies for the vsc, they will ask the nurse if he/she has a prc license and if that nurse is a june 2006 passer then he/she has to admit it. if the nurse denies it, it will bring troubles later when cgfns will find out and will lead to revocation of the vsc and the green card.

    even if the applicant is a nclex passer, it does not mean his /her june june 2006 license does not matter anymore to cgfns. it still does.
    what an example! its an "if" example...

    and why would he/she deny it?! ofcourse she/ he has to admit it (if asked) otherwise he/she can be charged of deceit/dishonesty..

    the majority i believe did not cheat.. so i also believe that they will never deny an exam they have taken with all hopes and honesty.
    its not easy to review.. you and i know that...
    and to pass an exam that you have been working on for years is such a pride!



    that is why, if filipino nurses want to work in the us, they should immediately apply and take the nclex instead of taking the nle first. it is just a waste of time.
    the nle i took did not waste my time...
    because i have been doing the same review...
    the nursing principles ive reviewed in the nle is the same nursing principled i reviewed for the nclex.. although there are a little modification...

    if you are never going to work in the phil, the nle has no use for u.
    but there is nothing wrong if u take it and pass it right?!

    it doesnt hurt to take an exam where u know u r competent..




    my point is, we should put people who are worthy of experience and credibility instead based on having a personal or professional relationship with gma. by the way, gma had flip flop a lot on this issue, first, she ordered for a retake of the sections and then a total retake and then a wait and see the court decision . that does not make her an effective leader on this issue.

    and also having a dentist whose job is pulling the presidents' teeth with out the proper credentials and experience and put her in a position as chairman of the prc is not an easy matter. the job of the prc chairman can not be handled by a person who has not experience running an organization.

    she should go back where she is good at, that is pulling teeth.

    agree
    just because she has been the dentist of the president.. makes her incompetent?! if she was never competent i doubt gloria- the president.... will even let her teeth be assessed by her....

    who said she has not experienced running an organization?!
    she has been running the prc even before this tainted exam appeared.
    and i believed she stood strong for prc... she has the quality of a leader who will not desert her subordinates in times of crisis.
    also, she has answered questions stabbed at her squarely and with knowledge..
    she never did ran away... unlike the president who just pops in once in a while and later on puts a dummy figure in brion's persona who will act in her place.

    it is difficult for the president to make a hasty decision because she can be charged of contempt and besides her aunthenticity as a president is also in question (after that hello garci tapes)... she might provoke another people power...hehe... she could have made a final decision from the start of this mess before it got complicated.


    peaceout!




    Last edit by angelcharm on Nov 6, '06

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