US demand for Filipino nurses declining - educator

  1. 2 us demand for filipino nurses declining - educator


    some 40 percent of filipino nurses in the united states have undesirable work habits, which could likely be the cause for the slump in the demand for pinoy nurses, an educator said friday.

    an article in sun-star cebu quoted henry seno, president of the american dream review institute inc. (amdream) as saying that the decline in the demand for filipino nurses abroad is caused more by a change in work attitude of the latest batch of nursing professionals rather than the june 2006 nursing board exam cheating controversy.
    change in work attitude...

    i wonder if this is related to the nurses who got "fast track" bsns, all in less than 6 months.

    cgfns & uscis have to crack down on these people, they're ruining things for the nurses who went through nursing school.


    "nurses in the philippines now are no longer of the same quality as the nurses five to 10 years back," seno said.
    this quote sounds very familiar here...

    suzanne, are you putting words into this guy's mouth?


    he said 40 percent of filipino nurses in the united states, despite receiving an average salary of $8,000 to $10,000 a month, "do not show up for work (and) literally do not report to the hospitals, especially those with immigrant status (while) those who report act as if they are not there because they're busy doing other things."
    he forgot the other sticking point--nurses who, after getting to the us with their green cards, demand to be released from their contracts.

    my reading of that situation--if the nurses win against the agency--is that the door for filipino nurses to the us will slam shut.

    no agency will be willing to sign on filipino nurses if nurses have the "human right" to not honor the terms of the contracts.

    the only 2 options remaining will be aos and direct hiring by hospitals--which are rare, and are quickly filled up.

    hundreds of thousands of nurses with nowhere to go.


    seno also hits the growing number of nursing schools in the country, churning out nursing graduates who are lacking in hands-on experience and a good grasp of educational background.

    "there are more nursing schools now and so many nursing graduates. these schools have become mere diploma mills," seno said.
    i think this person is quoting a moderator here. :d


    this negative scenario, he said, has caused hospitals and clinics in the united states to recruit more nurses from india, korea and china compared to those they hire from philippines as these institutions have become apprehensive in their choice of nursing imports.
    i agree with this statement.

    there are a lot of nurses in the us, especially from india, then china, then korea. a few from japan. new hires.

    their english not as good, but they get the job done.


    seno also blames local recruitment agencies for taking advantage of the need for nurses in the us by "duping" hospitals and health institutions to hire pinoy nurses who are not qualified for nursing jobs.
    hmmm...
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  3. Visit  lawrence01 profile page
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    My personal humble opinion on this is that some only wants the fast-track green card for him and his family.

    Not reporting for work even w/ a US 8k-10k a month salary would simply mean they don't need it and the only explanation for this is they are already well off and after getting their green card they would rather do something else. They did not come to the US to earn a living as a nurse but just to get a fast-track green card for them and their children. I know getting a relatively fast-track green card is always on the back of everyone but if this is the sole motivator, it will really show on their work attitude as there is no love in working in the health care field.

    All the above are all just my personal observations and honest opinions. :spin:
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    Quote from lawrence01
    they did not come to the us to earn a living as a nurse but just to get a fast-track green card for them and their children.
    interesting observation.

    i think this is a valid point.

    some "nurses" who got their bsns in less than 6 months--who paid a lot of money for their tors & diplomas--obviously can afford not to work.

    the other kind--those who report for work but "act as if they are not there because they're busy doing other things--" i wonder what he meant by that.

    it's sad that these people got to the us first and are making it harder for legitimate nurses to get to the us.
  5. Visit  dona4jc profile page
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    Some 40 percent of Filipino nurses in the United States have undesirable work habits, which could likely be the cause for the slump in the demand for Pinoy nurses


    I wonder were those filipino nurses are? Coz I have yet to see this in Florida and I've already worked in several hospitals as a travel nurse and have worked w/ fellow pinays/pinoys and they have the best work ethic compared to others.
  6. Visit  RNHawaii34 profile page
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    [$8,000.00 to $10,000.00 a month.....what are they? supermodels????? can somebody tell me if what state these nurses are working at? maybe i should move there!!!! where are they getting this digits?????? busy doing what? i think who ever turn down that much $$$ is a total idiot!!!
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    Quote from pinoy_guy
    interesting observation.

    i think this is a valid point.

    some "nurses" who got their bsns in less than 6 months--who paid a lot of money for their tors & diplomas--obviously can afford not to work.

    the other kind--those who report for work but "act as if they are not there because they're busy doing other things--" i wonder what he meant by that.

    it's sad that these people got to the us first and are making it harder for legitimate nurses to get to the us.
    these kind of people better not show up on my unit!
    i'll be the first person to make sure they dont stay...
  8. Visit  lenjoy03 profile page
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    it is really sad that filipino nurses are being generalized because of some rotten egg in this profession.

    change in work attitude...

    what kind of work attitude is he talking about? he can at least state some examples....


    if i were seno, i would really try to be a nurse just for a day so that he'll have an idea how it feels to be a nurse! then the next day, try to be a patient of a japanese, korean, indian, and filipio.... then ask him which is better... no offense to other nationality!
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  9. Visit  blabber profile page
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    Quote from lawrence01
    My personal humble opinion on this is that some only wants the fast-track green card for him and his family.

    Not reporting for work even w/ a US 8k-10k a month salary would simply mean they don't need it and the only explanation for this is they are already well off and after getting their green card they would rather do something else. They did not come to the US to earn a living as a nurse but just to get a fast-track green card for them and their children. I know getting a relatively fast-track green card is always on the back of everyone but if this is the sole motivator, it will really show on their work attitude as there is no love in working in the health care field.
    I completely agree with Lawrence01 100%! The demand in the Nursing profession was taken advantaged off by people who only wants the GC the easy way! Once they got what they were after, they'ld do whatever they want without looking at the reason why they were there after all!

    So now, the ones who deserve to have the GC are stuck in the limbo with no assurance whatsoever of what will ever happen to their most awaited dream of showing to the world that they are the nurses that patients deserve to have.:angryfire
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    Quote from rnhawaii34
    [$8,000.00 to $10,000.00 a month.....what are they? supermodels????? can somebody tell me if what state these nurses are working at? maybe i should move there!!!! where are they getting this digits?????? busy doing what? i think who ever turn down that much $$$ is a total idiot!!!
    yeah, i wonder what state this is? $8k to 10k...that's a lot!!!
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    Quote from rnhawaii34
    [$8,000.00 to $10,000.00 a month.....what are they? supermodels????? can somebody tell me if what state these nurses are working at? maybe i should move there!!!! where are they getting this digits?????? busy doing what? i think who ever turn down that much $$$ is a total idiot!!!
    well, you can get that kind of salary if you work in the bay area of ca but you would would spending much for rents.
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    Quote from dona4jc
    i wonder were those filipino nurses are? coz i have yet to see this in florida and i've already worked in several hospitals as a travel nurse and have worked w/ fellow pinays/pinoys and they have the best work ethic compared to others.
    try california.

    i have met exactly this kind of nurse, but not filipino.

    it did open my eyes to how callous some "nurses" can be. (quotation marks provided because i don't see them as real nurses.)

    disclaimer: i am not bashing a specific race or nationality, i am just sharing what i experienced.

    i have met a naturalized american of mexican descent right before, during, and after her ipn days.

    she put a lot of weight on the "rn, bsn" on your badge...until i asked basic questions on how to do things on the floor.

    to clarify: nursing students in the us are exposed to how they do things after a few months of didactics...meaning before they graduate (when they extern) they have at least 1 year of exposure to the floors.

    contrast that with a foreign graduate who knew zilch about how they did things on the floor. of course i had to ask questions.

    she treated me like dirt after that, and looked at my "rn, bsn" with disdain.

    anyway, while most of us nurses were running our buttocks off answering call lights, taking vital signs, and giving meds, this prima donna was chatting with the charge nurse, "oh, i'm so pretty! i'm graduating at the top of my class! a lot of hospitals are trying to hire me, the hospital which gets me will be lucky!"

    ha ha ha ha ha!

    pardon me, i had to laugh at her stupidity. she was aptly named by her parents, coz her name meant "irritate" in filipino.

    she did not know the line between being an extern--when they were being treated with kid gloves--and the real nursing world.

    she breezed through her ipn days (after graduation and before passing the nclex-rn. the hospital pays them to work in the hospital.) with similar behavior--sitting on her buttocks. i hate hearing that "i'm so pretty!" phrase. who in her right mind says that?

    when she passed the nclex-rn, she bragged about how easy it was. "my god, i shouldn't have wasted time reviewing for that exam! it was so easy!"

    then the real world came crashing down on her.

    i don't see her around anymore.

    feeling pretty will not help you be a good nurse.


    anyway, to get back to the topic: getting paid for doing (almost) nothing...this is possible. if these "nurses" pick the right floor.

    obviously icu and er are out.
  13. Visit  dona4jc profile page
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    Quote from Rep
    Well, you can get that kind of salary if you work in the Bay area of Ca but you would would spending much for rents.
    I guess because of the OT wages... 1.5 after 8 hrs, 2x after 12 hrs, huh?

    Bay area..hmm.. I was actually thinking about working there as a travel nurse that way I don't have to pay rent but my husband doesn't like the idea of working there or anywhere near LA county. I hear North California pays more. We'd probably work there or Orange County (would probably pay less) since that's where my husband is originally from, probably take housing stipend if my mom in law would let us stay w/ her.
  14. Visit  dona4jc profile page
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    Quote from pinoy_guy
    try california.
    that's what i thought. go figure.

    Quote from pinoy_guy
    feeling pretty will not help you be a good nurse.
    don't like air-heads neither. she probably have low self esteem so she's trying to esteem herself that way.


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