US demand for Filipino nurses declining - educator

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us demand for filipino nurses declining - educator

some 40 percent of filipino nurses in the united states have undesirable work habits, which could likely be the cause for the slump in the demand for pinoy nurses, an educator said friday.

an article in sun-star cebu quoted henry seno, president of the american dream review institute inc. (amdream) as saying that the decline in the demand for filipino nurses abroad is caused more by a change in work attitude of the latest batch of nursing professionals rather than the june 2006 nursing board exam cheating controversy.

change in work attitude...

i wonder if this is related to the nurses who got "fast track" bsns, all in less than 6 months.

cgfns & uscis have to crack down on these people, they're ruining things for the nurses who went through nursing school.

"nurses in the philippines now are no longer of the same quality as the nurses five to 10 years back," seno said.

this quote sounds very familiar here...

suzanne, are you putting words into this guy's mouth?

he said 40 percent of filipino nurses in the united states, despite receiving an average salary of $8,000 to $10,000 a month, "do not show up for work (and) literally do not report to the hospitals, especially those with immigrant status (while) those who report act as if they are not there because they're busy doing other things."

he forgot the other sticking point--nurses who, after getting to the us with their green cards, demand to be released from their contracts.

my reading of that situation--if the nurses win against the agency--is that the door for filipino nurses to the us will slam shut.

no agency will be willing to sign on filipino nurses if nurses have the "human right" to not honor the terms of the contracts.

the only 2 options remaining will be aos and direct hiring by hospitals--which are rare, and are quickly filled up.

hundreds of thousands of nurses with nowhere to go.

seno also hits the growing number of nursing schools in the country, churning out nursing graduates who are lacking in hands-on experience and a good grasp of educational background.

"there are more nursing schools now and so many nursing graduates. these schools have become mere diploma mills," seno said.

i think this person is quoting a moderator here. :D

this negative scenario, he said, has caused hospitals and clinics in the united states to recruit more nurses from india, korea and china compared to those they hire from philippines as these institutions have become apprehensive in their choice of nursing imports.

i agree with this statement.

there are a lot of nurses in the us, especially from india, then china, then korea. a few from japan. new hires.

their english not as good, but they get the job done.

seno also blames local recruitment agencies for taking advantage of the need for nurses in the us by "duping" hospitals and health institutions to hire pinoy nurses who are not qualified for nursing jobs.

hmmm...

Specializes in Critical Care.

You know what Lasagna_RN?! I totally agree with you!!!! There's a reason for everything! And nurses have reasons why they are breaching contracts! That's the fact that employers sometimes don't see.... They just see the point that a Filipino nurses breach they're contract without even looking what they've done for nurses to do that!

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Specializes in ER, Telemetry, Transport Nursing.
has anyone here ever heard of buying out a contract?

quote: ''walking from a contract is probably at a higher level on the list. this is what has irritated many hr people.'' what about the nurses welfare? does the hr have the sole right to be irritated by nurses walking from their contract. let's not forget to see why these nurses are breaching their contracts. the environment may not have been good. furthermore, the terms and conditions stated when they signed the contract were not kept just like what happened to the nurses who had been victims of the sentosa firm.

why would you want to work when you are not well compensated? or simply if what was written in print (contract) just remained in writing--no actions

direct hire, agencies--they dont just make a commitment where they would end up losing their fair share of the deal.

yes, they are irritated by nurses walking from their contracts. however, when a nurse breaches his contract, he always gets to pay its corresponding penalty. i still have the contracts here from various agencies and direct hire. for terminating a contract, you get to pay them ranging from $10,000 - $50,000.

this is what a lot of nurses have done. when they feel that they have not been treated well and they have already received their green card, they buy out their contracts to move on or transfer to another hospital that suits them well; where they feel that they are well-compensated. direct hire, agencies get their fair share of the deal when the nurse pays the penalty for terminating his contract.

why suffer when the grass is greener on the other side? why suffer when you are not treated well?

agencies, direct hire and nurses breaching their contracts-- they are all in a win-win situation.

i know about the sentosa situation. i work here in long island.

sentosa wasn't the only problem agency. there is another hospital.

i will not elaborate further.

but what if there is no clause to buy out the contract? what if the employee refuses to buy out the contract and just walks out? what happens when an agency refuses to let go? what now? labor relations had to step in.

when both parties enter into a contract and no one fulfills their end of the contract....its a feeling of being duped too right? on the part of the agency as well as the nurse itself?

but you are right... its all about the money. its always all about the money

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i totally agree with what lasagna_RN said.is there wrong if the nurse wants to get out from the contract especially if she is able to pay the corresponding penalty and if the agency is already abusing her right as a person??? if you are the nurse and you find your agency's rules and regulations inhumane and u have the money to get out of that contract, wont you pull urself out of that situation????........

i feel that these agencies just came to realize that filipinos now are smart enough to think for themselves,their safety and whats best for them and that theyre just threatened because if during the past 10years filipino nurses sticks to their agency despite of their inhumane treatment,now they just found out that their abusive styles are no longer tolerated by the filipinos and they cant control us like robots anymore.

tri citi medical center in california still looks for "filipino" nurses. specifically FILIPINO nurses...and theres alot of hospitals all over america specifies filipinos as their choice

all you out there know the reason why STILL they are looking for filipinos.

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Specializes in New RN Sept 8, 2006, Med/surg Geria.
interesting observation.

some "nurses" who got their bsns in less than 6 months--who paid a lot of money for their tors & diplomas--obviously can afford not to work.

where did you get that info? outrageous!

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This is all bad news for me because the state I chose to work in is California. If they aren't accepting Filipino RNs anymore, then I've nowhere to go.

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Specializes in Medical-Surgical.
This is all bad news for me because the state I chose to work in is California. If they aren't accepting Filipino RNs anymore, then I've nowhere to go.

Who said they are not hiring Filipino nurses anymore?

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Specializes in MedSurg.-Tele, Home health, LTC.
this is all bad news for me because the state i chose to work in is california. if they aren't accepting filipino rns anymore, then i've nowhere to go.

i don't really agree with that. that would be like....not right? california is not the only place to work you know? what? happened to equal opportunity employer?

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Fishy

Businesswise, Henry Seno's interview by the local newspaper, is purely advertisement. He said he is the president of the American Dream Review Institute --- he is trying to gain popularity for his review center since it is very new in Cebu where Sunstar happens to be the widely read local paper. I have to say, students in top schools didnt even have second thoughts enrolling in review centers growing like mushrooms.

By addressing such claims, he knows that it will be in the headline of the newspaper. Moreover, any news with regards to the nursing sector is of big interest in the Philippines, NOWADAYS. Thus, he is really smart!

I doubt if he is in the right position to make such statements even if he claims he is connected with this agency blah blah. Everyone in their kind of business claims the same thing.

This article is purely advertisement!

Bogus

I agree with you Lasagna_RN!

I've worked with a lot of fellow Filipino nurses here and most of us are hardworking, quiet (sometimes too quiet) law abiding citizens/residents!

there is pure vested interest written all over this article!:angryfire

"Amdream's website said it is an affiliate of a Los Angeles-based company with operations in the Philippines that serves as a springboard for Asian operations. It was conceptualized for the purpose of assisting nurses to pass the different US immigration requirements."

completely and totally agree. Any valid points made in this "article" should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Fear mongering and promoting his review center. What a joke. Actually, I think review centers are a joke. they are in business to do the studying for you, YMMV.....

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Specializes in ER, Telemetry, Transport Nursing.
completely and totally agree. Any valid points made in this "article" should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Fear mongering and promoting his review center. What a joke. Actually, I think review centers are a joke. they are in business to do the studying for you, YMMV.....

I agree. I never used a review center for my NCLEX.

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Specializes in Med/Surg/Med-Tele/SDU/ED.
this is all bad news for me because the state i chose to work in is california. if they aren't accepting filipino rns anymore, then i've nowhere to go.

to clarify: most hospitals in northern california stopped petitioning foreign nurses because of previous petitionees walking away from their contracts.

they will hire you if you already have your green card.

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And the same can be said about many other areas in CA currently. And adding on to it the retrogression, it is getting harder and harder to get petitioned directly by a hospital in CA.

Right to work is for US citizens, and does not necessarily apply to foreigners that are wishing to work in the US. Remember that the green card is still as a guest in the US.

And to the above, sure there are agencies/employers that have done things that were not correct, but there are also a great many more nurses that have walked from contracts in CA and for without a valid reason, other than they could get more money. And it had nothing to do with the work conditions at the facility, or where the facility was located. One site that comes to mind was Santa Barbara last year, seven or so just walked after they had their green cards in hand, and for no other reason than they wanted more money. They actually had a very good contract. Santa Barbara used to be one that would petition, but they are not doing that anymore.

What has happened in NY is different from what has been going on in CA and they are not related in anyway. Have seen more walking in CA then have ever seen in NY or any of the other areas.

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And with the retrogression in place and expected to continue for sometime for those from your country due to the number of applicants already in line, it is going to me much harder to get petitioned anywhere directly right now.

The issue is not what the owner of the center stated, he is not even in the Us, but making yourself the better candidate for a facility.

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