US demand for Filipino nurses declining - educator - page 2

us demand for filipino nurses declining - educator change in work attitude... i wonder if this is related to the nurses who got "fast track" bsns, all in less than 6 months. cgfns &... Read More

  1. Visit  anthony123 profile page
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    This is really a very sad thing for us nurses. There are still alot of good and hardworking nurses out there who would like to live the american dream. In my humble opinion there are alot of ways to filter out those nurses who give in to schools who sell BSN diplomas for cash. Like for example banning graduates of schools who have BSN programs that last something like 2 and a half years. To narrow down the list they can also take into consideration the paasco accreditation given to schools with good standards. For me that would flush out nearly all the culprits that caused these troubles we are faced with. It would take some flexing of muscle from the government. But I hope that the cgfns would take initiative with this, after all it is their mandate to screen foreign nurses. For a job as big as this, I would not rely on the phil Gov. Im so sorry
  2. Visit  Lasagna_RN profile page
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    Fishy

    Businesswise, Henry Seno's interview by the local newspaper, is purely advertisement. He said he is the president of the American Dream Review Institute --- he is trying to gain popularity for his review center since it is very new in Cebu where Sunstar happens to be the widely read local paper. I have to say, students in top schools didnt even have second thoughts enrolling in review centers growing like mushrooms.

    By addressing such claims, he knows that it will be in the headline of the newspaper. Moreover, any news with regards to the nursing sector is of big interest in the Philippines, NOWADAYS. Thus, he is really smart!

    I doubt if he is in the right position to make such statements even if he claims he is connected with this agency blah blah. Everyone in their kind of business claims the same thing.

    This article is purely advertisement!


    Bogus
  3. Visit  tagamargos profile page
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    I agree with you Lasagna_RN!

    I've worked with a lot of fellow Filipino nurses here and most of us are hardworking, quiet (sometimes too quiet:spin law abiding citizens/residents!


    there is pure vested interest written all over this article!:angryfire

    "Amdream's website said it is an affiliate of a Los Angeles-based company with operations in the Philippines that serves as a springboard for Asian operations. It was conceptualized for the purpose of assisting nurses to pass the different US immigration requirements."
  4. Visit  pinoy_guy profile page
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    nobody is saying this article is the gospel truth.

    i put my comments after the quotes. for me, it's a case of "where there's smoke..."

    not seeing this kind of nurses in your hospital outside california--like texas--does not mean that they do not exist.

    in california, a lot of hospitals stopped direct hiring because of nurses who breached their contracts. some were asked to "resign" because they do not have the requisite skills.

    most ca hospitals get their nurses from agencies now. this might even stop in the near future.

    it's so tiring.

    i'll leave it to the naysayers and snipers to share their experiences.
  5. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    In the Bay Area, that type of salary is quite common for someone with experience, and who is willing to work a little overtime. It is not out of the realm of things at all.

    The person that made that statement is trying to push his program, and sorry to say he does not have any insider track, neither does anyone else with a review center trying to get people to the US. They selll bodies only and get a kick-back from the agency in the Us, and that is all that they care about. And essentially makes them a recruiter, doubt if he is licensed to do that.

    And the issue is nurses that are coming over and do not have adequate training. And before the huge increase in the number of school there, things were just fine. Five years ago, before the advent of the second courser programs there, things were just fine, and you rarely saw any issues, now they are cropping up all of the time, and from all programs now, not just the second courser programs. Sure there are few that are still goof, but the majority of them are just interested in the number that they can turn out. Nothing more, and heaven forbid that one of their graduates would take care of a school owner's family. They would shudder at the thought, and perhaps they need to see this up close and personal and it be required that their family members need to get their care from some of their graduates.

    But this guy that has the review center, it is too late for the students that have already finished and completed their degree, he can only prepare them for exams, past the training that they need. And wonder if he is even a nurse at all, either.

    When you see clinical lecturers as well as clinical instructors working in that role when they have no experience as an RN, what do you think that their students are going to learn? Does not matter if they graduated at the top of their class, the issue is that they do not have any experience at the clinical bedside. And this is what makes a nurse.
  6. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    Many hospitals in CA have stopped hiring from the Philippines even as direct hire, or thru agencies. You will not see one hospital in the Bay Area doing that, or even find more than a few in the LA area. You can say what ever you wish about this, but the problem is that too many have walked from their contracts as soon as they got their green card.

    We have seen it happen over and over again, from Santa Barbara, north, and then south to the border. They are refusing, and the few that still are, many will not take a second courser at this time. And it is not for want or trying, they have, and they decided not to do it in the future. And you add in the retrogression, it is going to be much harder to get petitioned in a hospital in most areas.
  7. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    AOS just had 300,000 petitions submitted in the past month or two, and that is more than double the number of visas that are issued per year to those under the EB-3 category. So that is not going to be an option of anyone for sometime.
  8. Visit  jonRNMD profile page
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    there is only one reason why demand for filipino nurses is declining: retrogression
  9. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    Do not agree with the above entirely, it is definitely not the only reason: walking from a contract is probably at a higher level on the list. This is what has irritated many HR people.

    And then there is the need to wait for any foreign nurse to be petitioned: look at NY state for hospitals, or even the Bay Area. Just not happening, and that was the case before the retrogression kicked in last year.
  10. Visit  Lasagna_RN profile page
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    Has somebody in here ever heard of buying out a contract when they no longer want to finish it?

    Those nurses you claimed to have walked from their contracts after receiving their green card ---may have walked from their contracts--but you know very well that there is always a penalty for breaching such contracts.

    Direct Hire, agencies name it-- they dont just make a deal without getting their fair share of money. Once the nurse breaches his contract, he is very much entitled to pay its corresponding penalty.

    Why force oneself to work in an environment that is of no good when the grass is greener on the other side?

    Direct hire, agencies and nurses breaching their contracts: They are all in a WIN-WIN SITUATION.
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  11. Visit  Lasagna_RN profile page
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    has anyone here ever heard of buying out a contract?


    quote: ''walking from a contract is probably at a higher level on the list. this is what has irritated many hr people.'' what about the nurses welfare? does the hr have the sole right to be irritated by nurses walking from their contract. let's not forget to see why these nurses are breaching their contracts. the environment may not have been good. furthermore, the terms and conditions stated when they signed the contract were not kept just like what happened to the nurses who had been victims of the sentosa firm.

    why would you want to work when you are not well compensated? or simply if what was written in print (contract) just remained in writing--no actions

    direct hire, agencies--they dont just make a commitment where they would end up losing their fair share of the deal.

    yes, they are irritated by nurses walking from their contracts. however, when a nurse breaches his contract, he always gets to pay its corresponding penalty. i still have the contracts here from various agencies and direct hire. for terminating a contract, you get to pay them ranging from $10,000 - $50,000.

    this is what a lot of nurses have done. when they feel that they have not been treated well and they have already received their green card, they buy out their contracts to move on or transfer to another hospital that suits them well; where they feel that they are well-compensated. direct hire, agencies get their fair share of the deal when the nurse pays the penalty for terminating his contract.

    why suffer when the grass is greener on the other side? why suffer when you are not treated well?

    agencies, direct hire and nurses breaching their contracts-- they are all in a win-win situation.
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  12. Visit  lenjoy03 profile page
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    You know what Lasagna_RN?! I totally agree with you!!!! There's a reason for everything! And nurses have reasons why they are breaching contracts! That's the fact that employers sometimes don't see.... They just see the point that a Filipino nurses breach they're contract without even looking what they've done for nurses to do that!
  13. Visit  crossbow profile page
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    Quote from lasagna_rn
    has anyone here ever heard of buying out a contract?


    quote: ''walking from a contract is probably at a higher level on the list. this is what has irritated many hr people.'' what about the nurses welfare? does the hr have the sole right to be irritated by nurses walking from their contract. let's not forget to see why these nurses are breaching their contracts. the environment may not have been good. furthermore, the terms and conditions stated when they signed the contract were not kept just like what happened to the nurses who had been victims of the sentosa firm.

    why would you want to work when you are not well compensated? or simply if what was written in print (contract) just remained in writing--no actions

    direct hire, agencies--they dont just make a commitment where they would end up losing their fair share of the deal.

    yes, they are irritated by nurses walking from their contracts. however, when a nurse breaches his contract, he always gets to pay its corresponding penalty. i still have the contracts here from various agencies and direct hire. for terminating a contract, you get to pay them ranging from $10,000 - $50,000.

    this is what a lot of nurses have done. when they feel that they have not been treated well and they have already received their green card, they buy out their contracts to move on or transfer to another hospital that suits them well; where they feel that they are well-compensated. direct hire, agencies get their fair share of the deal when the nurse pays the penalty for terminating his contract.

    why suffer when the grass is greener on the other side? why suffer when you are not treated well?

    agencies, direct hire and nurses breaching their contracts-- they are all in a win-win situation.
    i know about the sentosa situation. i work here in long island.
    sentosa wasn't the only problem agency. there is another hospital.
    i will not elaborate further.

    but what if there is no clause to buy out the contract? what if the employee refuses to buy out the contract and just walks out? what happens when an agency refuses to let go? what now? labor relations had to step in.

    when both parties enter into a contract and no one fulfills their end of the contract....its a feeling of being duped too right? on the part of the agency as well as the nurse itself?

    but you are right... its all about the money. its always all about the money
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