US demand for Filipino nurses declining - educator - page 4

by pinoy_guy | 13,036 Views | 76 Comments

us demand for filipino nurses declining - educator change in work attitude... i wonder if this is related to the nurses who got "fast track" bsns, all in less than 6 months. cgfns & uscis have to crack down on these... Read More


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    Quote from jennypanic
    this is all bad news for me because the state i chose to work in is california. if they aren't accepting filipino rns anymore, then i've nowhere to go.
    i don't really agree with that. that would be like....not right? california is not the only place to work you know? what? happened to equal opportunity employer?
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    Quote from Lasagna_RN
    Fishy

    Businesswise, Henry Seno's interview by the local newspaper, is purely advertisement. He said he is the president of the American Dream Review Institute --- he is trying to gain popularity for his review center since it is very new in Cebu where Sunstar happens to be the widely read local paper. I have to say, students in top schools didnt even have second thoughts enrolling in review centers growing like mushrooms.

    By addressing such claims, he knows that it will be in the headline of the newspaper. Moreover, any news with regards to the nursing sector is of big interest in the Philippines, NOWADAYS. Thus, he is really smart!

    I doubt if he is in the right position to make such statements even if he claims he is connected with this agency blah blah. Everyone in their kind of business claims the same thing.

    This article is purely advertisement!


    Bogus
    Quote from tagamargos
    I agree with you Lasagna_RN!

    I've worked with a lot of fellow Filipino nurses here and most of us are hardworking, quiet (sometimes too quiet:spin law abiding citizens/residents!


    there is pure vested interest written all over this article!:angryfire

    "Amdream's website said it is an affiliate of a Los Angeles-based company with operations in the Philippines that serves as a springboard for Asian operations. It was conceptualized for the purpose of assisting nurses to pass the different US immigration requirements."
    completely and totally agree. Any valid points made in this "article" should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Fear mongering and promoting his review center. What a joke. Actually, I think review centers are a joke. they are in business to do the studying for you, YMMV.....
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    Quote from woknblues
    completely and totally agree. Any valid points made in this "article" should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Fear mongering and promoting his review center. What a joke. Actually, I think review centers are a joke. they are in business to do the studying for you, YMMV.....
    I agree. I never used a review center for my NCLEX.
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    Quote from jennypanic
    this is all bad news for me because the state i chose to work in is california. if they aren't accepting filipino rns anymore, then i've nowhere to go.
    to clarify: most hospitals in northern california stopped petitioning foreign nurses because of previous petitionees walking away from their contracts.

    they will hire you if you already have your green card.
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    And the same can be said about many other areas in CA currently. And adding on to it the retrogression, it is getting harder and harder to get petitioned directly by a hospital in CA.

    Right to work is for US citizens, and does not necessarily apply to foreigners that are wishing to work in the US. Remember that the green card is still as a guest in the US.

    And to the above, sure there are agencies/employers that have done things that were not correct, but there are also a great many more nurses that have walked from contracts in CA and for without a valid reason, other than they could get more money. And it had nothing to do with the work conditions at the facility, or where the facility was located. One site that comes to mind was Santa Barbara last year, seven or so just walked after they had their green cards in hand, and for no other reason than they wanted more money. They actually had a very good contract. Santa Barbara used to be one that would petition, but they are not doing that anymore.

    What has happened in NY is different from what has been going on in CA and they are not related in anyway. Have seen more walking in CA then have ever seen in NY or any of the other areas.
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    And with the retrogression in place and expected to continue for sometime for those from your country due to the number of applicants already in line, it is going to me much harder to get petitioned anywhere directly right now.

    The issue is not what the owner of the center stated, he is not even in the Us, but making yourself the better candidate for a facility.
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    What was happening a year ago in the US just does not apply now. Things have changed drastically.
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    Quote from suzanne4
    one site that comes to mind was santa barbara last year, seven or so just walked after they had their green cards in hand, and for no other reason than they wanted more money. they actually had a very good contract. santa barbara used to be one that would petition, but they are not doing that anymore.
    this case sounds familiar.

    7 filipino rns walked from their contracts almost at the same time, right after they received their green cards in the mail.

    response was swift: the hr director stopped petitioning for filipino rns.

    no ifs, ands, or buts.

    the rns in the hiring pipeline for that hospital were abandoned. had to start from square one.

    this is why i am not happy with rns walking from their contracts just to get more money. some i've talked to said "it's not my problem. i have my green card. i have to think of my future."

    what about the other filipino rns still in the philippines earning $7 per day?

    what about their future?

    sadly, this was not an isolated case. i have heard of other similar cases in california. (and new york city.)

    let's bring back our palabra de honor (word of honor).

    if you sign it, honor it.

    do not weasel your way out of the contract because of trumped up reasons.

    when it's so transparent that the main reason is money.
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    Quote from pinoy_guy
    this case sounds familiar.

    7 filipino rns walked from their contracts almost at the same time, right after they received their green cards in the mail.

    response was swift: the hr director stopped petitioning for filipino rns.

    no ifs, ands, or buts.

    the rns in the hiring pipeline for that hospital were abandoned. had to start from square one.

    this is why i am not happy with rns walking from their contracts just to get more money. some i've talked to said "it's not my problem. i have my green card. i have to think of my future."

    what about the other filipino rns still in the philippines earning $7 per day?

    what about their future?

    sadly, this was not an isolated case. i have heard of other similar cases in california. (and new york city.)

    let's bring back our palabra de honor (word of honor).

    if you sign it, honor it.

    do not weasel your way out of the contract because of trumped up reasons.

    when it's so transparent that the main reason is money.
    bravo!!! exactly.

    how would those that have walked away, feel that it was they that were left to dry in the pipeline?

    someone get the names of these people...
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    Quote from Lasagna_RN
    Has somebody in here ever heard of buying out a contract when they no longer want to finish it?

    Those nurses you claimed to have walked from their contracts after receiving their green card ---may have walked from their contracts--but you know very well that there is always a penalty for breaching such contracts.

    Direct Hire, agencies name it-- they dont just make a deal without getting their fair share of money. Once the nurse breaches his contract, he is very much entitled to pay its corresponding penalty.

    Why force oneself to work in an environment that is of no good when the grass is greener on the other side?

    Direct hire, agencies and nurses breaching their contracts: They are all in a WIN-WIN SITUATION.
    I actually just registered to respond to this statement.

    By way of background, I work for a US agency which recruits directly for NYC, MD and other hospitals, in Korea and the Phils. All direct hire. Have been doing this for several years and have seen all kinds of situations. Love my job and like helping people. I am NOT here to solicit, only to chime in from the agency/employer side.

    We, nor the client, NEVER want to get money from a nurse, in any shape or form. To be frank, the penalty clause is usually higher than the fee we earn, so from a monetary viewpoint it would be better if people just walked away from their contracts. But that is not the business we are in, not the promises candidates made to us and the client, and leaves the client with one less nurse than they anticipated having on their staff just a week earlier. It is only a win situation for the nurse who "bought" a green card by using the hospital and the agency.

    We have not had many people walk away/fail their probationary period, but of those who did walk they did so on day one, and it becomes painfully obvious that they NEVER intended to work at the client; paying the penalty was also not a problem for some reason either. Those that did not work out otherwise were generally for attitude and not so much experience, language or otherwise. Keep in mind these are direct hires at union facilities in NYC so the pay, conditions etc. are comparable to anywhere else in the area and often much higher.

    And make no mistake, when a Filipino or a Korean (for example) creates such a situation, that feeling does extend to others of similary citizenship...unfortunate as it may be.

    I enjoy this site and visit for my own education and to keep current. But felt I had to respond. Please do not ask me about my specific firm etc. as I respect the format of this forum (though I do respectfully withhold my right to disagree with certain opinions!).


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