to declare or not to declare my "license" - page 4

here's my dilemma, I passed the local boards last June 2006 and because of certain issues, our licenses are on hold. I know it has been said a lot of times that a local license is not needed for... Read More

  1. by   lynn10
    with this never ending scandal on the NLE 2006 exam. why not focus on those people behind these leakage and spare those innocent board passers and let them move on with their lives, they should be allowed to do their OATH. besides NLE is not the only area to test on how competent this nurses are. their School Credentials will clearly speaks for them as well as their skills. i don't believed that this will be a big issue in terms of applying job to other countries coz there will be a lot of steps to go through and NCLEX exam will be one of them.
  2. by   lawrence01
    Quote from Fil-RN
    I agree with suzanne when she says that you might be charged with fraud which could eventually jeopardize your prospects of a getting a job here in the US. I think Illinois has not yet signed with the compact states so they are still recquiring that you pass the CGFNS exam. If they're already a member of the compact state however, you would need the CES for them to process your application even without the license. Don't be in such a hurry to apply for a job here in the US. I'm a permanent resident here and I finished my pre med and RN degree in the philippines, I'm licensed in the philippines and here in california. When I went back here I had no work experience and not that I'm incompetent or what but working here scared the hell out of me. If I were given the choice, I would have stayed there and work at least for a year to gain experience and confidence, but I had to go back coz' my re-entry permit was about to expire. The work environment here is very different compared to the philippines and it's difficult to apply to a good hospital without experience not unless you know somebody from the inside who could pull some strings for you. Here you are greatly penalized if you commit a mistake, not like back there where you could easilly be forgiven for any errors you might commit. I would suggest that you get some experience at least for a year anyway, you're still young.
    All of my friends from the philippines who are now licensed nurses here in the US also worked back there for at least a year. A little sacrifice wouldn't hurt, plus it would really help you gain valuable experience that you'll definitely be able to use here. Instead of waiting for your license and doing nothing do something else first if possible.

    Just for clarification purposes and nothing else. llinois has ceased to require the CGFNS exam/certification since June-July of 2005 and now only needs the CES.
  3. by   suzanne4
    Quote from Fil-RN
    I agree with suzanne when she says that you might be charged with fraud which could eventually jeopardize your prospects of a getting a job here in the US. I think Illinois has not yet signed with the compact states so they are still recquiring that you pass the CGFNS exam. If they're already a member of the compact state however, you would need the CES for them to process your application even without the license. Don't be in such a hurry to apply for a job here in the US. I'm a permanent resident here and I finished my pre med and RN degree in the philippines, I'm licensed in the philippines and here in california. When I went back here I had no work experience and not that I'm incompetent or what but working here scared the hell out of me. If I were given the choice, I would have stayed there and work at least for a year to gain experience and confidence, but I had to go back coz' my re-entry permit was about to expire. The work environment here is very different compared to the philippines and it's difficult to apply to a good hospital without experience not unless you know somebody from the inside who could pull some strings for you. Here you are greatly penalized if you commit a mistake, not like back there where you could easilly be forgiven for any errors you might commit. I would suggest that you get some experience at least for a year anyway, you're still young.
    All of my friends from the philippines who are now licensed nurses here in the US also worked back there for at least a year. A little sacrifice wouldn't hurt, plus it would really help you gain valuable experience that you'll definitely be able to use here. Instead of waiting for your license and doing nothing do something else first if possible.
    A few things to clerar up for you. Illinois has not reuqires the CGFNS exam for about one year or so, only the CES. A compact license does not work for any foriegn nuirse unless they are going to pay rent in two different states for two different apts. The compact license is good if you love close to a border with another state and will live in one and work in the other, if they are both compact states. But otherwise, it is of no use. It is actually only valid if you maintain a legal residence in that state where it was issued.

    And working in the US is so different from the Philippines that even five years of experience ther will not make any real difference when working in the US. Things are done very differently. If the nurse actually went to a "good" program and had actial clinical training, then there should be no issue at all. Only issues that I have seen has been with nurses that bought their diplomas and never did any clinical training and sad to say but those places to exist.
    Last edit by suzanne4 on Sep 2, '06
  4. by   suzanne4
    Quote from lynn10
    with this never ending scandal on the NLE 2006 exam. why not focus on those people behind these leakage and spare those innocent board passers and let them move on with their lives, they should be allowed to do their OATH. besides NLE is not the only area to test on how competent this nurses are. their School Credentials will clearly speaks for them as well as their skills. i don't believed that this will be a big issue in terms of applying job to other countries coz there will be a lot of steps to go through and NCLEX exam will be one of them.
    Sorry, but it is not going to end. There are already many hospitals that are refusing to hire a nurse that took that exam, who does not retake it.

    The only way to prove who is innocent and who is not, is to have to do a retest. The ones that have all of the issues, will not pass. The pass wrate was also unbelievably low, only 42% that took the exam supposedly passed, and that is with all of the cheating allegations as well.

    This is beign discussed in every major city across the US and was in the Philippine News, the issue that is currently out, on the front page of the paper.
  5. by   Mike28770
    suzanne4 --
    my fiancee is a second courser bsrn filipina, one of the 17000 june2006 nle passers, stuck in the same mess as ctatacute.

    i fully agree with your logical "legal advice" concerning nclex, cgfns/ces and so on for licensing in usa according to each state bon. yes candidates should state they took the exam and have passed, but license is being withheld by rp government pending futher developments beyond the candidates control. what i do not understand however, is your thoughts on the (usa) states and employers being unwilling to license and/or hire the june2006 nle candidates. why do the states, cgfns, and nclex even care about it? as you said if they did not take the exam there is no problem...so...why are you saying there is a fuss because they did take it but it's locked up in phils incredible machinery? i think the cgfns question about licensing (see the ces application) is so they can ask the local licensing authority if there was ever a disciplinary or legal action against the candidate. as far as original licensing goes, my opinion (yep it is only my opinion!) is that the states don't adhere to foreign licensing requirements, that's why there is separate nclex exam! and now, we all know why!!
    so, please help me understand...are there cases of filipinos (6/06 nles) and the state bon and/or cgfns placing them on hold? or is it your "informed opinion" that they may encounter problems?
    thanks for your kind reply,
    mike28770
  6. by   mahoogie
    Mike, are you an American or a US citizen Filipino?..Just my advice, you could consider a fiancee visa sponsorship for your fiancee, it has a shorter span of waiting than the greencard sponsorship by an employer..considering all these controversies on 2006 board takers and impending retrogression, it is much practical to sponsor your fiancee if you can..just my suggestion..
    Last edit by mahoogie on Sep 7, '06
  7. by   Mike28770
    Quote from mahoogie
    Mike, are you an American or a US citizen Filipino?..Just my advice, you could consider a fiancee visa sponsorship for your fiancee, it has a shorter span of waiting than the greencard sponsorship by an employer..considering all these controversies on 2006 board takers and impending retrogression, it is much practical to sponsor your fiancee if you can..just my suggestion..
    Yes Ma, that is what we will do. But the issue is can she get licensed here in my state without license from Philippines. We all know the answer is YES, except now there is this question.... And she cannot be in two countries at once, eh?
  8. by   suzanne4
    Quote from mike28770
    suzanne4 --
    my fiancee is a second courser bsrn filipina, one of the 17000 june2006 nle passers, stuck in the same mess as ctatacute.

    i fully agree with your logical "legal advice" concerning nclex, cgfns/ces and so on for licensing in usa according to each state bon. yes candidates should state they took the exam and have passed, but license is being withheld by rp government pending futher developments beyond the candidates control. what i do not understand however, is your thoughts on the (usa) states and employers being unwilling to license and/or hire the june2006 nle candidates. why do the states, cgfns, and nclex even care about it? as you said if they did not take the exam there is no problem...so...why are you saying there is a fuss because they did take it but it's locked up in phils incredible machinery? i think the cgfns question about licensing (see the ces application) is so they can ask the local licensing authority if there was ever a disciplinary or legal action against the candidate. as far as original licensing goes, my opinion (yep it is only my opinion!) is that the states don't adhere to foreign licensing requirements, that's why there is separate nclex exam! and now, we all know why!!
    so, please help me understand...are there cases of filipinos (6/06 nles) and the state bon and/or cgfns placing them on hold? or is it your "informed opinion" that they may encounter problems?
    thanks for your kind reply,
    mike28770
    the issue is that if the nurse took the exam, the only way to clear their name that they were not one of the cheaters is to retake the exam. there are multiple issies going on over there right now, and they are not limited to just the nle exam, but with chesting issues on the cgfns exam, as well as the nclex exam. and it can be done, trust me, even with cat exam. as well as issues with some of the ielts centers/testing. it is a entire can of worms that has been opened and is increasing in size daily.

    so far, not one state has issued permission to sit for the nclex exam to anyone that took that nle exam. the only ones that have been released are those that applied for licensure before sitting for that exam.

    the bigger issue comes up with that the taking of the exam must be listed on the application, yet there is no licence yet issued; this is where the problem comes up and nothing can be done while it is in court. when you take an exam, you either do not pass and do not get a license, or you pas the exam, and get a license issued. according to the standards under which cgfns/ichp operate, they need to be able to verify an actual license was issued, and they are unable to do so. to make a special allowance for this group, would open things up to all sorts of issues. and problems done the road for cgfns/ichp. ptc is unable to even verify that the nurse passed the exam, and that is even more important than the license itself. if prc could verify, then things could go forward, but legally they cannot and the piece of paper that the nurse received means nothing over here, it needs to be verified directly with the prc.

    cgfns/ichp operate under the assumption that if the nurse took the exam and pased, then it can be verified that they did pass. but this exam cannot be verified in any way shape or form.

    i have been in direct contact with hospitals all over the country, as well as their hr directors, and none are willing to even entertain the idea of hiring one of the new grads that took this exam, unless they retake the exam. and they have the right to make that choice, and then throw in the statements coming out from the more renowned nursing schools there, and that only reinforces it.

    and to add into the measure, the diploma mills that are operating there,,,,,the nurses have no clinical experience at all, cannot even spike an iv bag or bottle when they come here, and i have seen it several times with my own eyes over the past year or two. some hospitals have been badly burned by this as well.

    noty sure what else to tell you at this point, but with the retrogression looming, the fastest and best thing to do is go for the retest.
  9. by   suzanne4
    Quote from Mike28770
    Yes Ma, that is what we will do. But the issue is can she get licensed here in my state without license from Philippines. We all know the answer is YES, except now there is this question.... And she cannot be in two countries at once, eh?
    Which state are you actually in? Try contacting the BON for that state and see what they tell you.

    By the time that you get the processing completed for the fiance visa, then the test will already have been able to be written.
  10. by   suzanne4
    but this is getting off track from what the original poster asked.
    you must declare that the exam was taken, to leave that off of an application is considered fraud.
    there is no license to declare, as one has not been issued.

    please stick to the original question or post. for other questions, etc., please place them in a sepaorate thread.
  11. by   Mike28770
    Well, thanks for your words. But the oficial position of PRC and their boss - GMA - is NO RETAKE, leaving 17000 competent persons in neva-neva land. All over a test which has absolutely NO BEARING on licensure in the USA. I still think the next step is to apply to CGFNS for CES evaluation and see what happens. Expecting the Philippines to find a timely solution to this is a bit like expecting the Titanic to dock in New York next week...
  12. by   Mike28770
    Yes, of course I contacted North Carolina BON, and they confirmed that no license is required for them to process a request for foreign nurse license. The place where the problem comes will be cgfns...whose business is the credidation of foreign candidates. And, fortunately (???) my fiancee has a visa, so we can do immigration petitions here -- the problem is this Philippine license craziness!

    Just to think this through, eh, each state is the agency that issues licenses and renewals, etc. NCLEX provides uniform testing services for foreign graduates from many countries, and cgfns provides verification of credentials, and other services as well. It appears that most compact states only require the CES from CGFNS, North Carolina included. I confirmed NC does not require Philippine License. NCLEX is testing only...so I think it's time to ask cgfns their opinion. Logically if a candidate meets CES requirements and passes NCLEX, and the state BON issues a license, well seems it's enough. Any ideas on who to contact at cgfns?
    Thanks,
    Mike
  13. by   rn4ever?
    Hi Mike28770. I live here but went to the Philippines for my BSN degree. I'm disappointed by the fact that this had to happen to the NLE takers of June 2006. So much has been said about it, but I hope something fair comes out of it. But about what you said, that North Carolina only needs a person to pass the NCLEX and have a CES from CGFNS to be a registered nurse, I think that a problem might arise there because for CES to be completed, they also have a form that has to be accomplished by the one that issued you your Nursing license (and all licenses whether in the US or abroad must be declared). Unfortunately, if a nurse took her NLE in June 2006 in the Philippines, she will also not be able to have her license verified---thus, she cannot fulfill her CES requirement (unless of course the PRC starts to verify things and the court is able to settle the dispute soon---which I hope they do). Bringing your fiance to the US via a fiance's visa is a different story. Of course you may petition her to go to the US that's not really a main problem, but the problem is, she might not be able to work as a Registered Nurse in North Carolina. I highly hope that the whole Nursing fiasco in the Philippines gets fixed in a fair and square manner and that justice be served to everyone. I wish you and your fiancee the best of luck! Just my thoughts.....





    Quote from Mike28770
    Yes, of course I contacted North Carolina BON, and they confirmed that no license is required for them to process a request for foreign nurse license. The place where the problem comes will be cgfns...whose business is the credidation of foreign candidates. And, fortunately (???) my fiancee has a visa, so we can do immigration petitions here -- the problem is this Philippine license craziness!

    Just to think this through, eh, each state is the agency that issues licenses and renewals, etc. NCLEX provides uniform testing services for foreign graduates from many countries, and cgfns provides verification of credentials, and other services as well. It appears that most compact states only require the CES from CGFNS, North Carolina included. I confirmed NC does not require Philippine License. NCLEX is testing only...so I think it's time to ask cgfns their opinion. Logically if a candidate meets CES requirements and passes NCLEX, and the state BON issues a license, well seems it's enough. Any ideas on who to contact at cgfns?
    Thanks,
    Mike

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