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Philippine Board of Nursing to stop Second Coursers from taking up Nursing

  1. 0 I guess this is against the right of an individual who want to pursue nursing as a second course... what can you say?:angryfire
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  3. Visit  nrswnabee profile page
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    Quote from mtreyes
    I guess this is against the right of an individual who want to pursue nursing as a second course... what can you say?:angryfire
    do you have the link to this news?
  4. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    I wouls definitely like to see the link. I know that they have ben trying to slow down the rush of dentists and doctors going into nursing, as they would be leaving the country. But, I had not heard it about others. You could consider that they would be doing this so that they could leave for other countries easier as well. I could see them making the nursing students sign an affadavit that they would work in nursing for at least two years before permitted to be able to get a visa to leave the country.
  5. Visit  lawrence01 profile page
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    This rumor has been going on for more than a year now.

    As long as its not in the news its still a rumor but if its true they should pass a law to be able to do this and there's no news about that either.

    No one has the right to prevent another to do something.

    There should be no issue for degree holders to have another degree.

    This is done all the time (for whatever course to another course) in other countries and its not an issue there why should it be here.

    What will they achieve if they do this? Do they think the 1st RN degree holders will fare better in the local boards if there are no 2nd coursers.

    Honestly, what I think is that the 1st degree Rns are finally realizing that the BON and this government and together with the hospitals are the ones really holding them off. They (1st degree RNs) are realizing that if these 2nd coursers were able to apply and able to go out of the country as soon as they graduate (ofcourse plus the time for the processing) so can they.

    These poor nurses are tied up to the min. 2 year contract and these hospital don't even allow them to have a period for a leave of absence to even fix there papers, time to study for the CG/NCLEX, etc.. They are forced to resign and if they resign from their 2 yr contract the hospital won't credit any working experiences. It's some sort of a subtle conspiracy between these 3.
    Hope these nurses realize what's happening and how they are being taken advantage of and the poor 2nd coursers are taking all the blame for grabing possible slots, for not passing the local boards because of the high number of applicants, and whatever reasons some unscrupulous persons think of.

    These are all just my humble opinions. :wink2:
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  6. Visit  annasol06 profile page
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    Well i just read on the news that for the December 2005 Philippine nursing boards there were around 400 people who are 2nd coursers of assorted degrees such as MD's, Dentists, PT's, accountants have their results pending meaning they do not know whether they have passed or failed and the reason given was the Philippine Board of Nursing are still checking on their RLE or related learning Experience records and according to the news have found out that these 400 who incidentally graduated just October 2005 from a 1 1/2 year BSN abbreviated course came from one certain school in the Western Visayas and were able to have as much as more than units of RLE per semester as allowed and even have simultaneous RLE which could not happen since each is a prerequisite to another and which is very impossible to finish on the time frame and these has been always an issue with the 2nd coursers. Frankly, in my opinion as long as if they feel they have nothing to hide and have abide with the graduation rules as to the RLE's then they just have to wait for the BON results. The BON is just safeguarding the public as to the competency of the new nurses and also safeguarding the reputation of the Philippine nurses who are abroad since any hint of scandal could also backfire on the credibility of the BON and on these nurses.
  7. Visit  nrswnabee profile page
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    if it's brain drain that the gov't is worried about, i suppose banning so-called second coursers is simply missing the target. considering how miserable the payscale, work opportunities and, generally, the living standards in our country, no practical pinoy would let go of his stab at a better life.

    if it's to level the playing field for 1st degree RNs, the solution looks very strange, to put it mildly. first degree and second degree rns take similar exams, don't they? and i guess everybody goes through the same training/course requirement before graduating. so, i don't see how "grabbing" opportunities could happen. "grabbing" isn't the same as increased competition, which, actually is a good thing because it yields higher standards.
  8. Visit  nurse_MD profile page
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    I hope this issue is not true! Talking about discrimination.It is a violation of anyone's human right and whatever happened to the right to practice and pursue any profession?Heard about this too. Just graduated last October too and passed the local boards this december..By, now all of us know that even the results of the ranking of the licensure exams were categorized between the regular RNs and the secondary coursers..what's with that?
    When as mentioned everybody took the same exams..I even heard some schools like mine are closing their RN programs for MDs, dentists and the like..as to problems with the CHED! They are being given a much difficult time and all of that red tape.. Let's not forget that even at applications with the PRC we second courses are delineated to go up to face the panel for interviews...

    What's scary to hear is that if this government is desperate to stop this so called " exodus" of health professionals overseas to seek greener pastures.. heard that even if you are hired by a foreign employer like in the US that does not require a CGFNS this can be a step behind as some immigration consuls will ask you for your CGFNS..even if your employer or the state you are going to go to have hired you and does not require it..I hope this is not really true..
    Oh well,i guess we have to exert our rights as individuals and if these issues are true make our voices known...
  9. Visit  gracediwa profile page
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    link to the news
    http://www.visayandailystar.com/2006.../topstory2.htm

    the issue was actually because of the overload of some students. like having 3 RLE per enrollment, etc. that's... ridiculous.
  10. Visit  nurse_MD profile page
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    With respone to the overloading of RLEs etc.. of these examinees whose result are being withheld..Let us not forget that the applicants being second coursers, before being allowed to take the licensure exam are evaluated first by the BON isn't it?So in the first place why were they allowed to take the boards if the RLEs and their curriculum are questionable in the first place????
  11. Visit  Rep profile page
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    Quote from nurse_MD
    With respone to the overloading of RLEs etc.. of these examinees whose result are being withheld..Let us not forget that the applicants being second coursers, before being allowed to take the licensure exam are evaluated first by the BON isn't it?So in the first place why were they allowed to take the boards if the RLEs and their curriculum are questionable in the first place????
    Good point.
  12. Visit  nrswnabee profile page
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    what has happened to the school(s?) tolerating impossible RLE's? from what i understand, the students were not half as liable as the schools who allowed it. maybe excessive RLE's only pose to justify banning of second degree rns? i hope it's not bec. that is just lame.
  13. Visit  Aquarian profile page
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    Quote from nurse_MD
    With respone to the overloading of RLEs etc.. of these examinees whose result are being withheld..Let us not forget that the applicants being second coursers, before being allowed to take the licensure exam are evaluated first by the BON isn't it?So in the first place why were they allowed to take the boards if the RLEs and their curriculum are questionable in the first place????
    I totally agree here! What the Phil. BON is doing is SOOOO UNFAIR :angryfire ! I am also a 2nd-courser who passed the local Dec 2005 boards. I have friends who have made it to the top 10 (3 of them, in fact) but their names were withheld in major newspapers (maybe for lack of space?) since the 1st-coursers were given priority to be announced first. But if you rank the top examinees according to their grades (and not if they are 1st or 2nd-coursers) the first place up to the level of the 7th or 8th place would have been from the 2nd-coursers.
  14. Visit  lawrence01 profile page
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    Quote from Aquarian
    I totally agree here! What the Phil. BON is doing is SOOOO UNFAIR :angryfire ! I am also a 2nd-courser who passed the local Dec 2005 boards. I have friends who have made it to the top 10 (3 of them, in fact) but their names were withheld in major newspapers (maybe for lack of space?) since the 1st-coursers were given priority to be announced first. But if you rank the top examinees according to their grades (and not if they are 1st or 2nd-coursers) the first place up to the level of the 7th or 8th place would have been from the 2nd-coursers.
    My guess is that they are trying to protect themselves, the professors and the big universities w/c don't cater to 2nd coursers.

    Many will ponder why is that 2nd coursers who are on significantly reduced nursing programs studying on not so big schools (w/c cater to them) are faring MUCH better than the regular RN graduate (full 4 yr prgram) who are graduating from these big universities ??

    There MUST be something wrong somewhere, right ??

    Someone can easily deduce that there must be something inefficient w/ their system (big universities w/ supposedly "better" prof.) OR it just proves that it doesn' really matter where you graduated from. Either way its not good for them.

    They are also rumors that they are making the exams "harder" for 2nd coursers and some say its already happening. Frankly, this not so smart.
    They will actually making it harder for their "regular RN grad" than the 2nd coursers.

    They are really lots of other things that they device to make 2nd coursers look disadvantaged on paper. Thank God for the foreign exams where everthing is fair. Hmmm.... I wonder how many "2nd coursers" and "reg. RNs"
    pass those on their 1st try?

    Anyway, we shouldn't even think like this? This is what the BON wants and everthing is backfiring on them and who suffers? The "reg. RNs" obviously. That is why they don't have the confidence to even apply right away and gets trapped on the train first and sign a 2 yr contract for meager pay.
    If they are doing their program right.. the newly grad should be ready for work. That's the purpose of the Rel. Learning experience (RLE) right? Not just an extra hand (for free) for the affiliate hospital.


    Lastly, for those regular RNs reading these. Hope you don't believe what your prof. , etc are saying about the 2nd coursers. Everybody is doing the same local boards, will be doing the same foreign exams and will be doing the same process. How fast will it be get done is up to the individual. Once you graduated, you're on your own. Believe me, these prof., Deans, and schools will not be there for you. Some may disagree with this but its a fact. Why the proliferation of review centers then? Why are some (not all, ok) schools holding the diploma and additional copies of transcripts ?? Why does the transcripts to be passed to the PRC marked with "For Board purposes only". You'll find out about this in the future. You'll find out who's really holding-off who.

    These are just my opinion and personal observations.

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