is the philippine local boards required for work in US? - page 2

hi everyone! i am a nursing student from the philippines and will be graduating soon. i was wondering if i need to take the local board in the philippines first before i can take cgfns and nclex? i... Read More

  1. by   jomos
    My brother took the Philippine Boards twice and failed. Can he proceed to take the NCLEX or does he now have to pass the NLE since he had taken it?If he can proceed to take the NCLEX, what will his reply be when asked why he does not have a RN license in country of origin?
  2. by   suzanne4
    Suggest that he focus on passing the local NLE. The issue is that he took the exam, if it was never written, then there would not be an issue.

    When did he take the exam? If one was this past June, he would need to pass the exam to qualify to get the Visa Screen Certificate and that is required to work in the US per US immigration.
  3. by   brita_mylove
    It is so sad to hear that someone could go straight and have VSC without a local license as long as they have a written explanation of why they did not take the local board and yet the june batch 2006 have to retake the exam again coz of the scam even if one is not guilty. Isn't it so unfair but then life is not always fair.
  4. by   lawrence01
    Quote from brita_mylove
    It is so sad to hear that someone could go straight and have VSC without a local license as long as they have a written explanation of why they did not take the local board and yet the june batch 2006 have to retake the exam again coz of the scam even if one is not guilty. Isn't it so unfair but then life is not always fair.
    With due respect.. it is not "unfair". It wasn't a req't from the beginning so majority who knows this do not take the NLE anymore while those students who took the NLE has to disclose that they took it and they have to pass it. Failing the NLE will also not give them the VSC. Many are confuse about this. As long as someone took the NLE, one need to show that they pass it otherwise CGFNS wouldn't recommend re-taking test 3 and 5 anymore if it doesn't matter.

    Suzanne has actually said this hundreds of times before that not to take it anymore if your plan is to go to the U.S. Some listened and were very happy that they didn't bother w/ it anymore, some did not and are now facing the consequences of their actions.

    If you have friends yet to take the NLE and who have plans to go to the US better advice them not to take it anymore and just go straight w/ NCLEX and VSC. Advice them not to listen to people who says that the Phil. license is a requirement. Many listen to this advises from their professors who obviously have no experience applying for being a US RN. Even our BON (who advices the PRC Chairperson) do not know the requirements of the Visa Screen Certification as exemplified by their recent media interviews w/c CGFNS needed to correct publicly via their website.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Mar 1, '07
  5. by   brita_mylove
    Well, I guess, in my part, it is too late coz nobody advised me. We are totally confused as to what really matters, some says that CGFNS will not give you VSC if you have no NLE and yet here, you are saying, there's no need for NLE. I've been advising some classmates not to take it anymore as you say guys, it is not needed but some agencies requires it. Oh, well, we just have to brave the weather again and take the storm by its tail. Since, most of us plans to go to US, we have no choice.
  6. by   lawrence01
    Quote from brita_mylove
    Well, I guess, in my part, it is too late coz nobody advised me. We are totally confused as to what really matters, some says that CGFNS will not give you VSC if you have no NLE and yet here, you are saying, there's no need for NLE. I've been advising some classmates not to take it anymore as you say guys, it is not needed but some agencies requires it. Oh, well, we just have to brave the weather again and take the storm by its tail. Since, most of us plans to go to US, we have no choice.
    Take it from us. Phil. license not required if a nurse did not take the NLE at all from the start. Once a nurse takes the NLE, they are now bound to disclose they took it and bound to show that they pass it no matter what.

    There are those that are actually planning on not disclosing they took NLE because of what happened to the June 2006 batch but since they took it, they have to show to CGFNS that they have passed it via the re-take. These very people very well know from the start that some one already advised them not to take it anymore if they do not have plans to practice in the Phil. that is why they are now having plans not disclose it, w/c is fraud. If they do not know or haven't been advised before they wouldn't even have it on their heads not to disclose the information. They knew from the start. They just chose the wrong advise and now they are suffering the consequences and where are now those who advised them to take it? No where to be found.

    The local agencies in the Phil. always hand out shot-gun req'ts, w/c includes CGFNS Certification, even though not all States require it, w/c everyone should know by now since the CGFNS Certification was mistakenly taken for the Visa Screen Certification as the same thing recently in the local media and properly corrected.
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  7. by   sylvester_8
    hello guys! so you guys are telling that Phil. license is NOT a requirement to take NCLEX?
  8. by   lawrence01
    Quote from sylvester_8
    hello guys! so you guys are telling that Phil. license is NOT a requirement to take NCLEX?
    Just like we have said above your post. No, it isn't as long as you never took it at all. Many nurses has done this already, esp. those who really don't have any plans to practice nursing in the Philippines have never bothered to take the NLE and just went straight to taking the NCLEX for US licensure and even for visa screening but the big if is that if one already took the NLE you have to disclose you took it and you have to show that you passed it.

    Bottom line is if you don't have plans in practicing nursing in the Philippines, don't bother to take it anymore. If you want or need to work as a nurse in the Philippines then you need to be licensed.
  9. by   Hathaway
    Lawrence,

    Just something i'd like you to look and and hopefully clear up...

    Few posts ago you stated that if one ever took the NLE, he'd have to pass it to qualify for the VSC. Hmmm.. Are we to understand that if one failed the exam, they necessarily are not qualified for the VSC?

    Im looking at the VSC 2007 application form. Items 15 and 16 are the only items dealing with Registration/Licensing and Nursing Exams taken.

    Item 15 only asks if one has ever been issued a License. (Not whether one has ever taken an exam as part of the requirement for an eventual license).
    The Request for Registration/License is only needed if one was ever issued one by any licensing authority anywhere.

    Item 16 does ask if the applicant has sat for nursing exams. But it specifically asks only if it applies to the CGFNS CP, NCLEX-RN, NCLEX-PN or the SBTPE exams. It doesnt have a box for "others".

    Anyhow, while I do agree that fraud or anything of that sort would be totally unacceptable on the VSC application form, I dont think the applicant can be held "responsible" for nondisclosure of information that was not specifically requested for by the form. That would be plain wrong. (The applicant is not required to volunteer information that is not asked of him. Especially in this case wherein all written information is attested to and signed by the applicant.)

    Kindly look that one over please and I'd like your comments too...

    Thanks in advance for the input,
    Hathaway.
    Last edit by Hathaway on Apr 6, '07 : Reason: unfinished
  10. by   lawrence01
    Quote from Hathaway
    Lawrence,

    Just something i'd like you to look and and hopefully clear up...

    Few posts ago you stated that if one ever took the NLE, he'd have to pass it to qualify for the VSC. Hmmm.. Are we to understand that if one failed the exam, they necessarily are not qualified for the VSC?

    Im looking at the VSC 2007 application form. Items 15 and 16 are the only items dealing with Registration/Licensing and Nursing Exams taken.

    Item 15 only asks if one has ever been issued a License. (Not whether one has ever taken an exam as part of the requirement for an eventual license).
    The Request for Registration/License is only needed if one was ever issued one by any licensing authority anywhere.

    Item 16 does ask if the applicant has sat for nursing exams. But it specifically asks only if it applies to the CGFNS CP, NCLEX-RN, NCLEX-PN or the SBTPE exams. It doesnt have a box for "others".

    Anyhow, while I do agree that fraud or anything of that sort would be totally unacceptable on the VSC application form, I dont think the applicant can be held "responsible" for nondisclosure of information that was not specifically requested for by the form. That would be plain wrong. (The applicant is not required to volunteer information that is not asked of him. Especially in this case wherein all written information is attested to and signed by the applicant.)

    Kindly look that one over please and I'd like your comments too...

    Thanks in advance for the input,
    Hathaway.
    Yes, in away you are correct but it is generally presumed that every one that passed the NLE will apply for Philippine nursing licensure as is almost always the case. Traditionally, all who passes the NLE applies for licensure and is really very rare that someone who passes the NLE and does not apply for Philippine licensure and if one ever held a nursing license they should disclose it via the license validation form. The license validation form is also proof that you passed the NLE, needless to say.

    I would like to give an example for the sake of discussion but I hope no one reading this post make some thing out of it.

    The above situation is obviously borne out of what happened to the June 2006 batch. Majority of those who passed did apply for Phil. licensure as expected. Who wouldn't apply for Phil. nursing licensure after passing the NLE, right? As stated earlier, it is expected that almost all if not all will apply for licensure after passing the NLE as it what happened to the June 2006 passers. Majority did apply for licensure and are fully licensed nurses in the Philippines, so now they are obliged to re-take test 3 and 5 or if they choose to re-take the whole exam if they want a VSC issued to them with reasons everyone already knows. They of course, will have to obviously pass it and those who will fail the re-take will not be issued the VSC.

    To cut the long story short, majority will re-take it anyway if they want a VSC issued to them as majority did apply and have their license and there are only a few or maybe even just a handful that did not apply for licensure even though they passed the NLE. Some did apply for VSC w/ the argument that they do not hold a Phil. license even though they passed the NLE and are part of the June 2006 passers. If you ask me, they may have gotten a VSC due to technicalities as some claimed did but I do not know if that is such a good idea, esp. since working in the US has so many checks and balances. Some US facilities may not hire some one who did not re-take the exams and they do not care about the VSC that they have. The VSC is only for immigration purposes and being hired is another thing and what good it is to have gotten a VSC due to technicalities when no good and reputable facility will hire.

    Also, I think some of those who did get a VSC issued to them due to technicalities has chosen to re-take the exam anyway for peace of mind.
    CGFNS/ICHP has revoked or canceled visa screen certificates from the past whether it be of their own fault or the applicant's doing as they have stated on their fraud disclaimer on their handbook.

    *Note that this is just my opinion as requested by a member here.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Apr 8, '07 : Reason: Grammar and typos
  11. by   suzanne4
    And I agree 100% with what Lawrence has stated.

    Remember that the Philippine government issues lists of those that passed and what their scores were. You can easily find a list of those that took the exam and did not pass it. Very common place knowledge in the US and all over the world.

    It comes down to semantics, and remember that ICHP has the final word in issuing the VSC, and since they have that, they can also cancel the VSC at any time if they find out information that was not given to them in the first place.

    Employers are going to ask more than likely if you took your exam at home, and you need to give them the correct answer. And if you were on the other end, would you wish to hire a nurse that could not pass their own local license, and this does not matter where they are from. If you did not take the exam, then it is a moot point, but if the exam was written, then it is up for discussion. Most will not hire them because of liability issues, and yes, it does matter.
  12. by   wewich_usrn
    I have a nephew and two nieces who graduated last December and are going to take the exams this June. i was the one who financed their nursing studies since their first year in college. These 3 have advised me that it wont be necessary for them to take the NLE because that won't be needed to go to work here in the US as nurses. I said, "hell no!" They would have to prove to me that they are all capable of passing the local exam before i would have to finance anew their expenses to complete all their US credentials befor they arrive here! hey, i'm the one who's paying here!

    I have every confidence in them passing any exam, the NLE or Nclex as all of them are bright, disciplined and are at the top 1% of their class since grade school.

    If they can find local jobs after they get their local license, well and good! I want them to have the feel on working on their own there (while this retrogression passes) and have them the feel of how it is to have the added responsibilty of working in a hospital. The experience of working here in the states might be somewhat different from that at home and I say that it is a great, great help of having that added confidence in being able to have a working experience.

    Call me conservative and an old hag if you wish! I want my nephew and nieces to be RNs in their own country from which I came from and very proud to have done so.
  13. by   lawrence01
    Quote from wewich_usrn
    I have a nephew and two nieces who graduated last December and are going to take the exams this June. i was the one who financed their nursing studies since their first year in college. These 3 have advised me that it wont be necessary for them to take the NLE because that won't be needed to go to work here in the US as nurses. I said, "hell no!" They would have to prove to me that they are all capable of passing the local exam before i would have to finance anew their expenses to complete all their US credentials befor they arrive here! hey, i'm the one who's paying here!

    I have every confidence in them passing any exam, the NLE or Nclex as all of them are bright, disciplined and are at the top 1% of their class since grade school.

    If they can find local jobs after they get their local license, well and good! I want them to have the feel on working on their own there (while this retrogression passes) and have them the feel of how it is to have the added responsibilty of working in a hospital. The experience of working here in the states might be somewhat different from that at home and I say that it is a great, great help of having that added confidence in being able to have a working experience.

    Call me conservative and an old hag if you wish! I want my nephew and nieces to be RNs in their own country from which I came from and very proud to have done so.
    That is a very good reason indeed and as you have said it was you who financed everything so you have the last say and you want them to work in the Philippines first and that is a good gesture but to work first in the Philippines or not is really up to the individual nurses and to the ones who have paid for their education. Some parents may want them to take the NCLEX and do the immigration process first and forgo working in the Philippines and go straight to the US while some just like you would like them to prove something first and work as a RN first in the Philippines but the fact remains; there is a choice as taking the NLE is not a req't.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Apr 8, '07 : Reason: Grammar

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