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  1. Visit  gemini_star profile page
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    pinoy_guy: can you back up this statement with figures?

    you've roundly condemned all second coursers with this statement.

    maybe i have but mostly are with the present situation here. it might be different 2 or 3 years before but this is happening now. i don't have figures to post it here.

    does your statement "because nowadays, especially the second coursers, want an easy ticket to everything." apply to these american second coursers?

    i was referring to filipino second coursers. the ones who had a previous bachelor degree, lived here, and wants to go out of the country fast.
  2. Visit  pinoy_guy profile page
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    5 minutes with william stanford, rn: from cubicle dweller to caregiver

    monday july 30, 2007

    william stanford earned a degree in mechanical engineering technology from the university of southern mississippi in 1990 and became the assistant plant manager at a manufacturing company. but he felt "locked" in a cubicle, so stanford turned his interest in helping others into a nursing degree from denver's regis university in 2004. he now works in the micu/sicu at rose medical center in denver. he also is working toward becoming a nurse practitioner.

    . . .

    q: how has your previous career helped you adapt to your new field?

    i was a manager, so you really have to have people skills. you have to be able to look at people and look at what their strengths are. if someone has a skill they excel at, you have to use it. having employees, you have to motivate them to produce a goal. working in icu, you have to work as a team. personalities range, so you have to be able to work with people who might not be somebody you hang out with after work.
    second coursers are not unique to the philippine situation.

    instead of bashing or questioning the motives of second coursers, i suggest working for our dreams.

    "the cream rises to the top."

    if you're good, you have a good chance of getting a nursing job in the us.

    of course, the corollary also applies, "s--- floats." which i think is the current situation now, when some people who got their bsns in 6 months or less are earning dollars in the us.

    of course they cheated.

    when they get found out, they'll be deported.

    do things the right way, the honest way.

    makes it easier to sleep at night.
  3. Visit  arys1075 profile page
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    peace to all... let's stop it now and change the topic. as professionals, be "law-abiding-citizens". cheating & leakages are definitely not good... we will also reap what we sow in the future. be faithful and pray hard instead. bear in mind god has always answers to prayers...
    the pursuit of christian character
    "for by these he has granted to us his precious and magnificent promises, in order that by them you might become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust. now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge; and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness; and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love". 2 peter 5:4-7
    ...the joyful heart is always good medicine..."

    Quote from junrn
    let's have a short debate here and please respect each others opinion. this is merely my opinion and should not be taken as an advice.

    i am not for cheating. i don't like cheating. i passed everything without 'magic' but pure faith in god and burning oil at night. i do not want to tolerate cheating in any form.

    however, the problem is if the culture of the society doesn't see one activity as cheating. that's a big problem.

    somehow, if somebody does not share the exam questions, he is regarded as "walang pakisama" (please translate for me, can't find the right english words). in filipino culture, "pakisama" is much more valued. "pakisama" is often beyond legal and moral values.
  4. Visit  miss_cy profile page
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    culture and traditions has brought people to a belief that one thing is acceptable eventhough it is not!!!!

    as i read the forum i couldnt continue anymore after reading the phrases that speaks about the
    "walang pakisama" term of the filipinos. to translate that,it means..as a group, a family, a team etc...one must cooperate to fulfill the team's success...when i say my team mate is "walang pakisama" wat im telling him is he is not cooperating for our success.

    two things are...in a positive &legal way, it is definitely acceptable but in a negative way obviously it is a not acceptable

    what you are trying to imply junrn falls on the negative/illegal way.

    both the giver and the receiver are considered as cheaters.

    the difference between the cheater and the non cheater who wants to help his/her friend is:
    a non cheater advices her/his friend to review a certain system (cardio, endo,pharm, etc) and doesnt give out questions he exactly encountered during his exam.

    the cheater - gives out question with choices with the intention to help with a touch of bragging around just to prove thats how they were focused on their exam that they were able to retain the questions in their heads.

    i am a filipino and i am proud to be one because i know that filipinos are always at their best in everything, but we have to accept the fact that we have things in us,atittudes in us that has to be changed and one of those is our wrong beliefs and thank god we are getting to that change.

    still...what country produces the best nurses in the whole world? its the philippines. lets retain that in us and continue to improve more.

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  5. Visit  BonesGilmore profile page
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    Quote from pinoy_guy

    if i had the money, i would not take the nclex-rn in this center.

    remember the case with the korean center?

    they revoked the us rn licenses of 3 koreans.

    revocation of your hard-earned us rn license due to cheating is a painful, if not humiliating, experience.

    if you're caught in the net just because of your choice of test site...that would suck.
    now, why would you think that? i'm sorry but i believe that if you did not participate on cheating of any kind & your conscience is clear, why would you fear taking the nclex in the philippines? there would be an investigation so why would you be caught in the net just because you have the same center as the perpetrator?

    for the record, i hate this thread.
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  6. Visit  pinoy_guy profile page
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    Quote from bonesgilmore
    now, why would you think that? i'm sorry but i believe that if you did not participate on cheating of any kind & your conscience is clear, why would you fear taking the nclex in the philippines? there would be an investigation so why would you be caught in the net just because you have the same center as the perpetrator?
    most of the june 2006 nle examinees did not participate in cheating of any kind, and their consciences were clear, and they did not fear taking the nle...yet they had to retake tests 3 & 5.

    if i recall correctly, they said they could not weed out the ones who actually cheated, so everybody had to retake it.

    this forum is for expression of opinions, and readers have the option to listen or not.

    i suggest putting weight on suzanne's posts...she has years of experience helping international nurses get into the us.
  7. Visit  BonesGilmore profile page
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    Quote from pinoy_guy
    most of the june 2006 nle examinees did not participate in cheating of any kind, and their consciences were clear, and they did not fear taking the nle...yet they had to retake tests 3 & 5.
    i doubt that would happen for nclex because they have very different test giving strategy. first of all, they all take in a small number of people per day with varying schedule so chances of 1 being falsely accused of cheating is slim. you have a different set of question as compared to others (seatmates) and based on what happened to korea's testing center, selling or sharing the questions & choices for answers after taking the exam is the only thing i could think of that is a form of cheating for the nclex. so how could that be similar to the nle that you would opt to take it somewhere else?? if you did not share/sell questions, why would you be persecuted just because others did?
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    Quote from BonesGilmore
    I doubt that would happen for NCLEX because they have very different test giving strategy. First of all, they all take in a small number of people per day with varying schedule so chances of 1 being falsely accused of cheating is slim. You have a different set of question as compared to others (seatmates) and based on what happened to Korea's testing center, selling or sharing the questions & choices for answers AFTER taking the exam is the only thing I could think of that is a form of cheating for the NCLEX. So how could that be similar to the NLE that you would opt to take it somewhere else?? If you did not share/sell questions, why would you be persecuted just because others did?
    The nurses in the Korean centers that had their exam scores cancelled, did not cheat in the center on the exam. That is not possible the way that the exam is set up. Each exam is different that is given that day and is based on how the person answers the questions before. So each exam is individualized, it is not a standard test for all like the NLE.

    The issue is memorizing questions and then giving them to others, and this is what the warning has been about. Nothing more and nothing less. It is also a prosecutable offence in the US, and they will press charges against any that are caught.

    There have already been well documented situations that have occurred that the Board is familiar with. And they do not want to see it happen now in Manila. Remember that the approval for the center was approved the week before CGFNS came out with their statement that the NLE would not be accepted from June, 2006.

    You have government officials that have come out with these warning publically, we did not start them here.
  9. Visit  lawrence01 profile page
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    Also, the issue is to make sure the NCLEX test center to remain in the Phils. and not be shut-downed like what happened in South Korea. If I'm not mistaken, there were actually only 3 that were caught to have leaked out the questions in Seoul and that was enough to shut the whole center. Future test takers from Korea would have to travel to other places like Japan, HK, Taiwan, and now the Phils. to take the exam.

    Mr. Dante Ang made the public reminder because he was the one responsible for bringing the NCLEX to Manila amidst difficult obstacles and with the assurance of: 1) people responsible for the leakage, specifically the review centers and some BON members will be dealt with, and 2) they will ensure security of the questionnaires. And also in a personal note, I bet he wouldn't want his efforts to go to waste just because one was caught "leaking" out the questions. All it takes is just one, as Hoss said and the NCLEX testing center in Manila can be shut-downed and this will have a BIG effect to many people, esp. those who finds it very hard to go to HK to take the exams.

    Many who have actually taken the NCLEX will know that even before they are allowed to go in the examination room, they are given a set of instructions to read and follow and one of it is to not 'share' the questions to others. So, nurses who have actually taken the NCLEX exam, very well know from the start that not 'sharing' the questions after they have taken it is part of the agreement and if they get caught they can be persecuted and their exam nullified and licenses revoked just like what happened to at least 3 in South Korea but the real big effect is the closing down of the center because it affects all others and esp. future takers.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Aug 17, '07
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  10. Visit  bonsai_25 profile page
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    What second courser programs are you guys talking about? I'm a second courser and before we enter a university or college, they check our TOR to credit subjects so we don't have to take it again (most ar e minor subjects and common FIRST YEAR college subjects). Then we finish the course like any regular student. For me, it was 3 years. Its the same thing if an engineer will shift or take a commerce course, the subjects will be credited and stuff. So nothing special and new about that. Its also like in USA, they will credit your subjects if you already had that subject back then.

    Anyway, the warning by Mr. Ang is appreciated and shall we say PREDICTABLE. I think the others are complaining because people tend to THRIVE about the bad news here. The warning is appreciated for sure. The cheating that happened to korea is over, in fact I don't see any koreans talking about it here. The Nclex in Manila is good news for everyone, it will save a lot of money. Its a good thing that everyone is warning the test takers and review centers about cheating. But its also immature to assume, the test center in Manila will not last. Let us just hope for the best, a lot of Filipino nurses will benefit from the test center.

    I see a lot of American nurses and other foreign nurses reading the Philippine forum. Must be fun for them I guess to read all the controversies. Their comments are appreciated but sometimes a few of them can be condescending. Take note not everyone. Everyone wants a quality nurse, even nurses from PIC can be quality nurses.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Aug 17, '07 : Reason: TOS
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  11. Visit  lenjoy03 profile page
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    Your right bonsai_25. We really do appreciate all the warnings and reminders regarding the NCLEX here in Manila. I hope that the bad impression regarding the approval of NCLEX here in Manila wont start with the Filipinos... You see, they already given us the opportunity to save money and to prove that not all Filipinos are cheaters. CAn't you see that because of what other Filipino says regarding the cheating or one day closure of the testing site here reflects not only one person but everybody! Please... Don't take everything negatively... When your given an opportunity to prove other people is wrong, grab it!
  12. Visit  pinoy_guy profile page
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    Quote from bonsai_25
    what second courser programs are you guys talking about?
    were you referring to this post?
    Quote from gemini_star
    pinoy_guy: can you back up this statement with figures?

    you've roundly condemned all second coursers with this statement.

    maybe i have but mostly are with the present situation here. it might be different 2 or 3 years before but this is happening now. i don't have figures to post it here.

    does your statement "because nowadays, especially the second coursers, want an easy ticket to everything." apply to these american second coursers?

    i was referring to filipino second coursers. the ones who had a previous bachelor degree, lived here, and wants to go out of the country fast.
    i suggest quoting the post you're reacting to.




    Quote from bonsai_25
    anyway, the warning by mr. ang is appreciated and shall we say predictable. i think the others are complaining because people tend to thrive about the bad news here. the warning is appreciated for sure. the cheating that happened to korea is over, in fact i don't see any koreans talking about it here.
    again, the opinions and suggestions here are being taken negatively.

    "thrive about the bad news here???"

    i suggest you read the previous threads on the cheating in the nle. if i recall correctly, the mods and some posters advised against the rallies to "force" cgfns to accept the tainted results. i think "national sovereignty" was mentioned, that cgfns should not "meddle" with how we run things in the philippines.

    bottomline? no visascreen for the june 2006 nle "passers." cgfns said their licenses were good only in the philippines.

    the thing is, we're focusing on the elephant in the living room, the humongous cancer on the patient's head. the elephant and the cancer which our government officials, and some posters here, vehemently deny exist.

    the forced retake was implemented only because cgfns set its foot down.

    the reason i'm sharing this warning by our government official is because nothing had been done with the perpetrators of the june 2006 nle cheating.

    sure, we have the press releases about cases being filed...but as we say, "palabas lang iyan," or "it's only for show."

    the review centers continue raking in millions. business as usual.

    americans are not stupid.

    remember the other suggestion we had? about retaking the entire nle instead of only tests 3 & 5? i hope we were wrong on that one.

    i would love to hear about our june 2006 nle/tests 3 & 5 retaker nurses actually getting jobs in the us.

    suzanne definitely is connected to the grapevine in the us--she's sharing what she's hearing from over there.

    the other posters--even if they don't brag about it--know a lot about the situation than they care to admit.

    tfc is available in a lot of the filipino communities in the us, and they air the snippets about the cheating. if they don't listen carefully, they get the impression that there is cheating.

    the other side of the coin is that a lot of filipino nurses in the us learn about this cheating scandal firsthand...as suzanne mentioned, quite a few nurses had been "requested to resign" for not having the basic nursing skills.

    as this is a forum for airing opinions, i don't appreciate your ad hominem attack. we do not "thrive about the bad news here."

    it's so tiring dealing with all this negative energy. i wonder how suzanne does it.
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  13. Visit  bonsai_25 profile page
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    Quote from pinoy_guy
    were you referring to this post?

    i suggest quoting the post you're reacting to.





    again, the opinions and suggestions here are being taken negatively.

    "thrive about the bad news here???"

    i suggest you read the previous threads on the cheating in the nle. if i recall correctly, the mods and some posters advised against the rallies to "force" cgfns to accept the tainted results. i think "national sovereignty" was mentioned, that cgfns should not "meddle" with how we run things in the philippines.

    bottomline? no visascreen for the june 2006 nle "passers." cgfns said their licenses were good only in the philippines.

    the thing is, we're focusing on the elephant in the living room, the humongous cancer on the patient's head. the elephant and the cancer which our government officials, and some posters here, vehemently deny exist.

    the forced retake was implemented only because cgfns set its foot down.

    the reason i'm sharing this warning by our government official is because nothing had been done with the perpetrators of the june 2006 nle cheating.

    sure, we have the press releases about cases being filed...but as we say, "palabas lang iyan," or "it's only for show."

    the review centers continue raking in millions. business as usual.

    americans are not stupid.

    remember the other suggestion we had? about retaking the entire nle instead of only tests 3 & 5? i hope we were wrong on that one.

    i would love to hear about our june 2006 nle/tests 3 & 5 retaker nurses actually getting jobs in the us.

    suzanne definitely is connected to the grapevine in the us--she's sharing what she's hearing from over there.

    the other posters--even if they don't brag about it--know a lot about the situation than they care to admit.

    tfc is available in a lot of the filipino communities in the us, and they air the snippets about the cheating. if they don't listen carefully, they get the impression that there is cheating.

    the other side of the coin is that a lot of filipino nurses in the us learn about this cheating scandal firsthand...as suzanne mentioned, quite a few nurses had been "requested to resign" for not having the basic nursing skills.

    as this is a forum for airing opinions, i don't appreciate your ad hominem attack. we do not "thrive about the bad news here."

    it's so tiring dealing with all this negative energy. i wonder how suzanne does it.
    i don't need to quote anyone about the second courser programs as you can see everyone has an opinion about the program. i just stated what 2nd courser program that i had in case some of the readers do not know what 2nd courser programs some are talking about. it's not big deal. thanks for the suggestion.

    i don't think anyone denies the existence of cheating here or the cheating that happened last june 2006. who can forget, it was the talk of the town for months. and i am also aware about the "no visascreen and no rally whatsoever you are talking about". its all in the past, if you want to talk about it, i don't really care. its your prerogative as a member of the forum. anyway, they retook the exam already last june 2007, hopefully its not an issue anymore. if cgfns will not accept the retake of 3 and 5, i guess everyone will retake the whole thing this december. let's just see.

    i agree though that the government is not doing much about what happened before. the nursing review centers are still earning millions and the government should so something about it.

    somebody will always react in a negative and positive way. i don't even remember singling you out. its just an observation. the ones who posted before me, said so too if you look. if you feel like i am attacking you, well i'm sorry but thats not my intention. like you said, this is a forum, if you can air your opinion, so can we.

    if americans are not stupid, so are your fellow filipinos. believe me, we understand and appreciate the warning about manila nclex testing center. everyone is thankful of suzanne's connection to the so-called grapevine in the us. i know she's been helping a lot of foreign nurses too. nobody is denyinig that. but i do like to research on my own and not just depend on suzanne. anyway, its not a crime to disagree with suzanne. is it so bad if we don't follow/agree with her or the other supposedly experienced ones about certain issues? really, its nothing personal.

    i am a june 2006 passer and i have an employer already in the us. half of our class have us employers already. well, we are not in usa yet so i guess we have to wait and see if its really true after the retrogression. i asked my employer, if being a june 2006 passer is an issue for them, they said no. i have a friend who is working in usa right now, she said they didn't even ask her about her philippine license. well thats only from my experience and my friends. i do not speak for every june 2006. one of the members here said that one hospital is willing to sponsor her despite being a june 2006 passer. someone called her a liar already just for saying so. so i guess thats why some do not bother to post if they have one already.

    like i said, nothing personal. if you do not appreciate an attack, i don't either. :uhoh21:

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