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as the financial crisis deepens in the us, canada is also feeling the pain. it was thought that we'd feel less impact because of differences in our methods and systems, but the truth is that we aren't immune to it at all. there were more than 129,000 jobs lost in canada in january alone. most of them were in the manufacturing sector, but not all.

hamilton-layoff notices go out next week to 250 staff as hamilton health sciences cuts $21 million from its budget.

the hospital has already axed 49 corporate jobs to save $4 million. it also plans to save cash by having fewer nurses per patient and less-skilled workers providing care.

st. joseph's healthcare, which has predicted 175 job cuts, will tell its staff feb. 2 its plans to reduce a $12 million deficit.

http://www.healthzone.ca/health/article/575245

hospital unions projecting 5,000 job losses, serious cutbacks to patient care if mcguinty fails to address hospital underfunding

monday, january 12, 2009

toronto, jan. 12 /cnw/ - in a joint press conference this morning, leadership from four major hospital unions representing more than 80,000 hospital staff warned of large scale job losses and downsizing in ontario's hospitals. in a briefing note, the unions warned that underfunding at currently planned levels translates into a cutback of 5,000 full time jobs and more than 9 million hours of patient care. serious hospital cutbacks are threatened at hospitals of every size (small, medium and large) in every region of ontario.

"hospital downsizing is already resulting in longer waits for patients, user fees for patients, and loss of services," noted patty rout, vice president and treasurer of opseu.

http://www.seiulocal1.org/hospital_unions_projecting_5_000_job_losses__serious_cutbacks_to_patient_care_if_mcguinty_fails_to_address_hospital_underfunding.aspx

most of the nursing job losses have been in ontario, but that doesn't mean the rest of the country will be safe.

alberta health care to suffer as government tightens its belt

appointments raise concerns of privatization

jason fekete, calgary herald

published: friday, november 21, 2008

provincial health minister ron liepert warned albertans on thursday to gird for difficult decisions ahead on health care as the government grapples with what's likely to be reduced revenues next year and some tough-love budgeting.(...)

the board will also closely examine all health-care supplier contracts to ensure the province is getting value for money, he added, while staffing requirements will "continue to change" as the system evolves.

"there's going to have to be tighter belts," hughes said. "we are going to change the way we deliver health care in alberta."

http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=786a24ef-91c6-4e6d-a36b-af954b833708

it is entirely possible that the recruitment of iens will drop off sharply as the canadian employment picture worsens. while canada is not currently considering a moratorium on hiring nurses from abroad, it may reach that point. please be aware and prepared for it should it come to that. also consider the position of your spouse or other supporting person who will be job-seeking in canada who may now have severely limited possibilities. take nothing for granted. if you want it badly enough, you'll have to be willing to fight.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.

My brother is the foreman for a demolition company in Edmonton. Until recently he has had a lot of trouble finding day labourers who are capable and can do the jobs they're being paid for. Why? Because the economy was so hot that the only people lining up for day work were those who couldn't get hired anywhere else. Now, with the oil field slowdown and the impact it has on the rest of the economy of Alberta, there are more and more highly-qualified people lining up every day and his job has suddenly gotten much easier. I'm happy for him, he has always taken up the slack and worked 80 hours a week if necessary to make sure the company met its deadlines. Now he has the luxury of seeing the job done on time and can get home in time for supper some nights. But I'm not so happy for those people who thought they had stable, safe employment, who are now taking day labour to keep from losing their homes.

Meanwhile, the rhetoric is heating up. This story was in today's Edmonton Sun:

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2009/02/12/8360441-sun.html

Nurses are not included in the usual list of temporary foreign worker categories in these stories, but if the nurse's spouse will be looking for work, there will be a huge impact on their plans. And as local nurses' other supporting family members lose their jobs or have their hours cut, the casual nurses will be applying for positions, the part-timers will start taking larger FTEs and the amount of overtime worked will continue to climb. We're really hoping that this recession is simply a speed bump and that soon things will be rolling smoothly again, but what will happen if that isn't the case?

I started this thread to help IENs make their plans so that they experience only the necessary discomfort of the process, and not to see themselves go through the whole process, spend a ton of money and then have no job to come to when it's all done. Please, please, pay attention to the news coming out of Canada and be prepared for things to change dramatically in a very short period of time.

We're seeing this at RAH, casuals taking small part time spots to be guaranteed hours and ensure their families have benefits.

OT was hard to come by on some unitss in the last six weeks.

Specializes in CCU.

Thanks for sharing the infos! Yes, the other province heard you!

There is good and bad everywhere!

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.

I've just learned that Calgary Health Region in Alberta has placed a moratorium on hiring IENs due to the downturn in the economy. They cite reasons such as the increased interest of casual nurses for picking up shifts and part-time nurses who are now the primary breadwinners increasing their full-time equivalents, which is causing a significant decrease in vacancies. Given the fact that Alberta is less than 6 weeks away from the final amalgamation of the 9 different health regions into one giant super-region, it's quite likely that the rest of Alberta will also halt their overseas recruitment.

When the economy in Alberta is bad, it's worse in the rest of the country.

Sorry to hear the economy has effected you up north. It sounds like it very expensive to evaluate and train an IEN. Hopefully all economies will pick up.

Specializes in Telemetry & Obs.

Horse racing?!? :sstrs:

Is horse racing vital to Canada's economy??

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.
Horse racing?!? :sstrs:

Is horse racing vital to Canada's economy??

Absolutely!! Or at least certain politicians believe it is. The Alberta government provided huge grants to sustain the industry here for several years running, while refusing to even partially fund a summer respite program for school aged kids with severe handicaps. And now the feds are supporting it in Quebec. But I think I already said my piece earlier about that. The feds will give Quebec untold billions of $$ to keep them from taking their ball and going home. I say, "Here's your hat... what's your hurry?"

Wow, I currently live in Los Angeles and things are tough around here. My wife and I were actually thinking about moving to Canada because we were thinking it would be more financially stable. Thank you for the insight.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.

The situation here won't be as bad for as long as it is south of the border, but many of the problems seen in the US have an impact on us because of our shared border and our inter-related industries. Canada has its first trade deficit in more than 30 years, largely because of conditions in the US. However, our banking industry is regulated and not likely to fail. We are more financially stable, but have hit a rough patch.

Wow, I currently live in Los Angeles and things are tough around here. My wife and I were actually thinking about moving to Canada because we were thinking it would be more financially stable. Thank you for the insight.

Texas would be a good place to look also.

The Dallas area is doing fine, and houses have not lost any value.

Texas has outpaced the US economy a time or two...

Specializes in med/surg.

I have learned that, for the moment at least, Calgary Health are not recruiting any more IENs because nurses who were either casual or part-time are picking up permanent lines as their partners are being laid off.

It's not affecting those already employed but they are not bringing in anymore IENs for now.

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