RPNs/LPNs vs. RNs

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I know this has probably been discussed a fair amount on this forum, but as a RPN/LPN that is currently bridging to become a RN, I wanted to share my experiences, questions, and conclusions about the inherent differences between the two nursing roles.

I completed my RPN program in June 2007, and immediately enrolled into the bridging program at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada in September 2009. I have since completed my first year of university towards my BScN.

Before I begin, I would like to note that I have not yet experienced a clinical rotation in the RN role (that begins this year). So the viewpoint that I will be representing is purely from an academic perspective, and not a practical one. I realize that this may be severely impacting upon my bridging experience.

It is my belief that there should not be two types of nurses. And when I say this, I do not mean to say that one is better than the other. Upon the contrary, I believe that RPNs and RNs have a similar breadth of knowledge and that there should no longer be a segregation in pay, entitlement or recognition between them.

I acknowledge that this may sound like some sort of "RPN paranoia" against RNs, but please be assured that is the farthest thing from the truth. I am not saying RPNs are "better" than RNs, at all. But I am not, as yet, willing to concede that in their base ACADEMIC knowledge, RNs are very much more superior than RPNs.

Having gone through one year of RN training in the science-based aspects of the discipline, I can honestly and truthfully say that there wasn't much that I learned this year that went beyond the scope of the RPN. Our physical assessment course was identical to that of the one I took in my RPN program. The anatomy and physiology course was identical, as well. Pathophysiology with a pharmacologic inclusion was a new course that I had not taken, but (and perhaps it was because of the professor and her choice of course planning) I do not feel as though I walked out of the course feeling like I had a superior amount of knowledge prior to the amount that I had walked in with. The course material was very basic, and very rushed. I anticipated that I would be learning common and complex disease states for each system of the body, and how to treat them pharmacologically. However, we focused on basic/common concepts like inflammation and common CV/resp diseases. Pharmacology barely came into it, and I felt very disillusioned. I felt, truly, that I had learned much more in the first year of my RPN program than I had in my first of the RN program.

Many of the RPNs that I have worked with have clinical skills that equate that of the RNs. I have been told many times that the only true difference to be found between RNs and RPNs are leadership skills. I am starting to believe this is true. Because although many RNs have superior disease/pharmacology knowledge to RPNs, I believe this only because of exposure. RNs are granted access to more complex and unstable patients, and it is THIS that gives them the superior knowledge. It is, from what I have seen thus far, not because of an inherent difference in their education.

It seems to me that there should no longer be two types of nurses. But I don't know what to do with that feeling. Because to suggest that we should remove RPN education seems ridiculous. And doubly so to say that we should remove RN education. But I feel as though this dichotomy is causing a rift in our profession. RPNs get paid almost 40% less than RNs for the same clinical skills. RNs get replaced with RPNs who don't have as much knowledge simply because institutions can pay them less.

I don't know what to do, or how to feel. And it hurts and saddens me greatly. I would appreciate any thoughts on this matter. It is deeply appreciated.

Specializes in Geriatrics, Med-Surg..

I wish that I had worked as nurse assistant during school because I was very shocked when I graduated with everything about nursing and it was so overwhelming. Maybe this was just my experience.

I do think that all schools just aren't able for many reasons to really tell new grads just how tough it will be, at the very least, until one gets some experience and seniority built up.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.
I wish that I had worked as nurse assistant during school because I was very shocked when I graduated with everything about nursing and it was so overwhelming. Maybe this was just my experience.

It's not just your experience. It's actually the most common experience of new nurses. One only has to read a few of the threads in the First Year After Nursing Licensure forum to see that. I've lost count of the number of times I've read comments like, "If I had known what nursing was really like..." and "Am I the only one who needs 2 hours for a med pass? Am I the only one who stays more than an hour after my shift to get my charting done? I don't know how the others do it." And "I thought there was a nursing shortage."

I do think that all schools just aren't able for many reasons to really tell new grads just how tough it will be, at the very least, until one gets some experience and seniority built up.

Do you think it's that they aren't able, or that they don't want to? After all, if they were truthful about working conditions and the realities of working on the front lines, they might scare off most of their students. The other thing is, most of them have been away from the realities of front line nursing for so long that they have no clue what it really looks like.

I'm a rn with higher national dip in mental health nursing and want to upgrade to bsn. Is there anybody or organization who can offer financial assistance to me.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.
I'm a rn with higher national dip in mental health nursing and want to upgrade to bsn. Is there anybody or organization who can offer financial assistance to me.

About the only source of funding I can think of is the scholarship/bursary system administered by the Colleges of Registered Nurses in many of the provinces. Check with the schools where you think you might do your classes and see what kind of financial aid they offer.

Specializes in med-surg, OR.

If you are registered to work in Ontario, the RNAO offers up to $1500 in reimbursement for tuition, though its not guaranteed funding, and you need to apply.

As some of the other posts have mentioned I would suggest that you finish your studies first and get some experience under your belt before jumping to any kind of conclusions.I have been working as an RN for over 30 years and I can say without a doubt that it would be a huge mistake to take all nurses under the same umbrella without acknowledging the differences in education levels and skills. Currently in the work force we have some RPNs whose formal education is only a year or less and who have received additional skills training from the hospitals where they work. These training sessions are not scutinized in the same way as education from colleges and with the hospitals interest being in cost effectiveness ,pumping out RPNs with added skills is the main goal. My experience with working with RPNs through the years has demonstrated an enormous variance in knowledge base . As for the newly graduated RPNs who think that they are equivalent to RNs , think again .I have noticed that they lack signifiqantly in their ability to do critical thinking ,although they can perform more skills they don't always know the rational for what they do ,so they function more as technicians.There are some stars amongst the RPNs who should pursue getting their RN. However to group all nurses under the same category would be deceptive and down right dangerous to the public

Specializes in acute care med/surg, LTC, orthopedics.
Currently in the work force we have some RPNs whose formal education is only a year or less and who have received additional skills training from the hospitals where they work. These training sessions are not scutinized in the same way as education from colleges and with the hospitals interest being in cost effectiveness ,pumping out RPNs with added skills is the main goal.

You fail to mention that those certificate RPNs who graduated prior to 2005 and received additional skills training to advance them at par with the diploma RPNs also have many years of bedside experience, and in some cases 20+ years of clinical experience. To ignore this importance is quite irresponsible, if your attempt is to be objective (which I doubt.)

The additional training was most certainly scrutinized the same way as College programs are, do you think they just pulled the upgrading requirements out of a hat? Hospitals would consult with their respective accredited colleges and provincial regulatory body when determining curriculum.

My experience with working with RPNs through the years has demonstrated an enormous variance in knowledge base . As for the newly graduated RPNs who think that they are equivalent to RNs , think again .I have noticed that they lack signifiqantly in their ability to do critical thinking ,although they can perform more skills they don't always know the rational for what they do ,so they function more as technicians.

Funny, I've felt the same way about some RNs I've worked with. Some BScN grads who require a bit too much hand-holding and also some "seasoned" RNs who are so skill focused they are unable to initiate any evidence-based decision making. Good thing there's a variety of different nursing staff on board to figure stuff out.

There are some stars amongst the RPNs who should pursue getting their RN.

This remark is a cheap shot. So you're suggesting the "star" RPNs should not be satisfied with their role in the health care field but rather become RNs because that is the expectation to be a good nurse? There are many exceptional RPNs who feel quite fulfilled and accomplished in their roles and have no desire whatsoever to be an RN. To presume otherwise is tactless and arrogant.

Oh, Ottawa, I hear ya.

Makes me wonder if "Nursing Forever" is a member of CARNA. CARNA has just launched it's semi-yearly assault on the public. They think the RN is the ONLY way to nurse and out here have been publically called on it by both the colleges governing the PNs and the Reg. Psych Nurses.

Forever's post just doesn't understand that bridging from PN to RN is not that easy is the majority of provinces. It also fails to acknowledge that there are good, bad, and medicore nurses produced by every nursing programme and they are found in every hospital.

My manager always says she'd rather have four experienced LPNs than four new grad RNs on the floor because experience counts

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