Phil RN's as LPN - page 5

To those who did not believe my reply to a post last time... Here are the facts: Filipino RN's who are NCLEX passers are recruited by Mercan agency. Due to reciprocity, they are able to work as... Read More

  1. Visit  purplehippo} profile page
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    My friend finally called. Still the same facts. She wasn't misled by the agency nor went here in Alberta with the knowledge that she still has to write and pass the LPN board exam.

    I advised her to write the board exam anyway, but she said the previous batch of NCLEX passers (ahead of her by about a month) are already working as LPN's without having to write the exam, so why should she? She emphasized that there is nothing illegal about the agency and them practicing as LPN's...

    In conclusion, Philippine RN's WHO PASSED the NCLEX are recruited by Capital Health through the Mercan agency to practice as LPN's without having to write the LPN board exam. This is a reality.
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  3. Visit  sabrino76} profile page
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    If they are NCLEX passers then they must be worth something not learners as some of us refer to them as. I worked as a health care assistant in England with alot of Filipino nurses and was mentored by some of them as a student nurse. Today i owe alot of what i possess as a registered nurse to these Filipino nurses. Give them time and they will shine. Inserting catheters is just a fraction of the duty of a nurse, but i can almost guarantee that they possess such a high degree of clinical eye assessment.

    so long
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  4. Visit  suzanne4} profile page
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    Quote from purplehippo
    SO we all agree that these NCLEX passers SHOULD WRITE the LPN board exam if they want to practice as LPN's whether here in Canada or anywhere else.

    But... as it is... again... it is being done already, sorry but true... my friend along with the other NCLEX passers are primarily favored and recruited because they can easily be permitted to function as LPN's without writing the LPN board exam. But for her and her patients' sakes, she should write the LPN board exam.
    Passing a US exam, does not even permit a US nurse to go to Canada to work. They must take and write the Canadian exams, and no exemption to that rule. It does not matter what any agency is doing, they do not write Canadian law, nor have a part in licensure there.

    Suggest that one of you take this information to the local radio and television stations there and have them do a story on it or even the local newspaper. I am sure that there would be many there that would have some vocal concerns just like the rest of us.

    And notice that in that one copies e-mail, it makes note that one would be able to write the Canadian PN exam once they finished their training, so it means that they are not coming to Canada and immediately working as an LPN as they may think that they are doing.

    There are pieces to this puzzle that are definitely missing, but do beleive that it needs to be investigated by the newspapers and or tv/radio so that people in the community know whats being done with their healthcare there.
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  5. Visit  NotReady4PrimeTime} profile page
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    You know, Suzanne4, I think you're right about this needing to be explored by the media. I'm going to contact them today and get the ball rolling. The timing is bad with me going away tomorrow but I think any intelligent journalist would be able to follw the bread crumbs and choose a resource from here who could lend a hand.
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  6. Visit  suzanne4} profile page
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    Thanks for doing that, then we will surely get the answers that we are looking for as well as citizens there knowing what is being done with their health care. Taxes are being paid for services to be provided by licensed providers and this is not the case for now with what we are seeing.

    Still suspect that these so-called LPNs are being placed in training programs and then will have to write the appropriate licensing exam to get a license to practice on their own there as well as get malpractice insurance so also suspect that they are going to be under the license of another nurse, and I am sure that the Canadian nurses that actually wrote the exam are not happy with this either.

    They are un-licensed and that is what is at issue here, passing of the NCLEX exam in the US does not even grant an actual license in all states, so there is no such thing as reciprocity being used which does not exist any longer to begin with. Passing of the exam does not constitute licensure in the US, not until a license number is issued.

    Wonder who provides the health care services to this agency that is bringing these nurses over? They need to be treated by unlicensed nurses and then lets see what they have to say about it, sure that they would not be very receptive of it. But it is just a way from them to make money and nothing more than that.
  7. Visit  suzanne4} profile page
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    Fogot to add: Have a very safe trip and enjoy the warmer weather, at least for you.
    :wink2:
  8. Visit  NotReady4PrimeTime} profile page
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    It's only marginally warmer here, and very wet!! Sun's out today, but who knows for how long!
  9. Visit  RNGrad2006} profile page
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    Quote from purplehippo
    My friend finally called. Still the same facts. She wasn't misled by the agency nor went here in Alberta with the knowledge that she still has to write and pass the LPN board exam.

    I advised her to write the board exam anyway, but she said the previous batch of NCLEX passers (ahead of her by about a month) are already working as LPN's without having to write the exam, so why should she? She emphasized that there is nothing illegal about the agency and them practicing as LPN's...

    In conclusion, Philippine RN's WHO PASSED the NCLEX are recruited by Capital Health through the Mercan agency to practice as LPN's without having to write the LPN board exam. This is a reality.
    Just not true at all. I think I have posted before but I am a Canadian citizen who was educated in the US and took NCLEX PN but had to follow ALL of the requirements of a foreign trained nurse in order to get my LPN license in Canada including taking the National licensure exam. I am an RN now and am pursuing getting my license in Canada as an RN and I not only would have to take the RN exam in Canada to do so but I also had to provide a local US license before they would even accept my application. Just because an agency misinforms your friend does not make it so. They do not make up the laws and are NOT the regulatory body of nursing. Whether you friend wants to accept the truth or not she will likely not even be able to stay in the country if it is discovered she is practicing nursing without a license. The agency would definitely not be backing up your friend if it is discovered.
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  10. Visit  purplehippo} profile page
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    Quote from RNGrad2006
    Just not true at all. I think I have posted before but I am a Canadian citizen who was educated in the US and took NCLEX PN but had to follow ALL of the requirements of a foreign trained nurse in order to get my LPN license in Canada including taking the National licensure exam. I am an RN now and am pursuing getting my license in Canada as an RN and I not only would have to take the RN exam in Canada to do so but I also had to provide a local US license before they would even accept my application. Just because an agency misinforms your friend does not make it so. They do not make up the laws and are NOT the regulatory body of nursing. Whether you friend wants to accept the truth or not she will likely not even be able to stay in the country if it is discovered she is practicing nursing without a license. The agency would definitely not be backing up your friend if it is discovered.

    So... we'll just have to see, won't we? As it is she is practicing as an LPN already without having to write the LPN board exam and her contract is good for 1 year. As I have said, hers is not an isolated case.
  11. Visit  NotReady4PrimeTime} profile page
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    I've been told by an acquaintance who works with temporary foreign workers in Edmonton that this is not true. Any nurse who is planning to work here as an LPN is attending the LPN program at Norquest and will be required to write the CLPNE. Why they would be given immigration approval for that is beyond me, since there is no shortage of LPNs in Canada.

    The first wave of RNs who have met the assessment criteria for eligibility arrived here yesterday. They are getting settled and going through orientation. I saw two of them here in our unit this morning. We do not employ LPNs in this unit for any purpose; these women were recruited directly by Capital Health and will be writing the CRNE in October.
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    Quote from janfrn
    I've been told by an acquaintance who works with temporary foreign workers in Edmonton that this is not true. Any nurse who is planning to work here as an LPN is attending the LPN program at Norquest and will be required to write the CLPNE. Why they would be given immigration approval for that is beyond me, since there is no shortage of LPNs in Canada.

    The first wave of RNs who have met the assessment criteria for eligibility arrived here yesterday. They are getting settled and going through orientation. I saw two of them here in our unit this morning. We do not employ LPNs in this unit for any purpose; these women were recruited directly by Capital Health and will be writing the CRNE in October.
    Then why is my friend working as an LPN already? She said that it is only during the time that she is going to apply as an RN that she will write the CRNE. She is not writing the LPN board exam at all.

    These first wave of registered nurses you mentioned? Are they from the Philippines?
  13. Visit  suzanne4} profile page
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    Quote from purplehippo
    Then why is my friend working as an LPN already? She said that it is only during the time that she is going to apply as an RN that she will write the CRNE. She is not writing the LPN board exam at all.

    These first wave of registered nurses you mentioned? Are they from the Philippines?
    Sorry, but even with reciprocity, and that does not exist with the RN exam and the LPN license by the way; one still must write a licensing exam. Even if an LPN in the US or an RN, they would need to write the Canadian exams to work there, same as a Canadian has to write the NCLEX exams for licensure in the US.

    What you are speaking of is a trial program, and we do not know what will come of it. The nurses are only in Canada with temporary work visas as well, and they are not landed immigrant visas at all. It does not matter what the nurse calls herself there, but the fact is that they are not writing the exam or even applying for it, then if there are any issues that arise, they will be the first to be liable in a court of law and I am sure that lawyers would have a field day with this. The law on the books is still black and white and this is a grey area and no one knows how it will turn out.

    LPNs are part of a healthcare team, the same way that the RN is as well as the MD and other members that also provide services. Each has their own duties. But as mentioned above, there are still many types of units that do not use LPNs as there is still a limitation on the meds that they can give via an IV, etc.
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  14. Visit  suzanne4} profile page
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    And if they do not pass the exam on the first try, then chances are they will be on a plane back home as they will not be able to continue to practice at all.

    And usually at their own expense, not the agency since it is assumed that they will pass.


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