IEN Registration in Alberta to become more difficult - page 4

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  1. Visit  joanna73} profile page
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    The market is tough for LPNs also, and AHS has instituted a hiring freeze, but if you are eligible to register as an LPN, then that is your choice.

    Personally, I don't agree...but it doesn't matter since I don't make the policies.
    Last edit by joanna73 on Mar 29, '13
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  3. Visit  lilaclover6984} profile page
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    Quote from nosh pade
    Mount Royal University is conducting the SEC assessment until June 30, 2013. Mine was scheduled in October.

    What would be your opinion if I would try to register as an LPN for the meantime while the demands for nurses are decreasing? Will it be a good idea?
    LPNs are nurses.
    If you want to work as one then you need to realize that.
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  4. Visit  itsmejuli} profile page
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    There are no jobs...there's no point in applying to AHS since any job advertised will be taken by someone who is already in AHS.

    I work outside of AHS...we're cutting back on staffing hours for our HCAs. Our cutbacks will not affect patient care but the HCAs are sure upset to lose some of their hours.

    I'm glad I made my move to Alberta 2 years ago.
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  5. Visit  nosh pade} profile page
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    Quote from itsmejuli
    There are no jobs...there's no point in applying to AHS since any job advertised will be taken by someone who is already in AHS.

    I work outside of AHS...we're cutting back on staffing hours for our HCAs. Our cutbacks will not affect patient care but the HCAs are sure upset to lose some of their hours.

    I'm glad I made my move to Alberta 2 years ago.

    All I am asking is about the processing of documents. I think that it would be easier to apply for an lpn than an rn with regards to registration. I really do not care about job vacancies. If all of you think that there would be no opportunity for me. Well, I am afraid you are wrong. I am currently residing on High Level and there are a lot of position here for Registered Nurse and Licensed Practical Nurse. I even talked to the institution itself and assured me that there is always an opportunity for me. All I really need is to be registered.
  6. Visit  joanna73} profile page
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    True there is always a need for nurses across the North Zone. However, none of us really have much job security right now, especially if you have no seniority.



    We are just being honest with you about the situation. For example, if a nurse is laid off within the North Zone and they decide to displace or bump a less senior nurse, they are within rights to do so, at least as far as UNA is concerned. This means that there is a possibility of reassignment, demotion to casual status or layoff. You are not necessarily immune because you're in High Level.
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  7. Visit  Fiona59} profile page
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    Quote from nosh pade
    All I am asking is about the processing of documents. I think that it would be easier to apply for an lpn than an rn with regards to registration. I really do not care about job vacancies. If all of you think that there would be no opportunity for me. Well, I am afraid you are wrong. I am currently residing on High Level and there are a lot of position here for Registered Nurse and Licensed Practical Nurse. I even talked to the institution itself and assured me that there is always an opportunity for me. All I really need is to be registered.

    Unless you have it in writing, I wouldn't believe them. I moved provinces and was told that I would have no problem working in their hospital. Even having all my paperwork in order, and Canadian references, I waited 8 months for a job. And it was casual and I was low man on the totempole.
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  8. Visit  Fiona59} profile page
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    I know that it sounds like we are raining on your parade BUT with a hiring freeze across AHS, displaced staff moving into vacant lines, and in all probability bumping (when staff with five years of service are being warned to prepare themselves for the worst) but how do you think the ever so kind managers of High Level are going to hire you? Magically morph you into the system?
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  9. Visit  CodeteamB} profile page
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    Lots of valid points in regards to supply/demand. On the other hand, there likely is a true need for nurses in the area. A family member nurse manages one of those rural Alberta teeny-tiny-town hospitals and is always understaffed, ready to get down on her hands and knees to recruit staff. I know there is a lot of uncertainty right now and people are stressed and nervous about work, however, I would not discourage an IEN who is planning on staying in Alberta from pursuing registration, especially if already living in an area that has a hard time recruiting/retaining staff.

    In a couple years when the pendulum swings back there will be jobs, and sounds like it could take that long to get registration in order anyway :P
  10. Visit  joanna73} profile page
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    No one is trying to discourage her/him. Just presenting honest opinions of the situation, since they asked.

    In another couple of years, there will be more jobs, as AHS and their schemes will only last so long. However, based on everything I've read in the papers and accounts from friends (including those working in rural locales), the present climate is terrible.

    At the end of the day, people will make their own decisions.
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  11. Visit  nosh pade} profile page
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    Quote from CodeteamB
    Lots of valid points in regards to supply/demand. On the other hand, there likely is a true need for nurses in the area. A family member nurse manages one of those rural Alberta teeny-tiny-town hospitals and is always understaffed, ready to get down on her hands and knees to recruit staff. I know there is a lot of uncertainty right now and people are stressed and nervous about work, however, I would not discourage an IEN who is planning on staying in Alberta from pursuing registration, especially if already living in an area that has a hard time recruiting/retaining staff.

    In a couple years when the pendulum swings back there will be jobs, and sounds like it could take that long to get registration in order anyway :P


    Thank You, codeteam. I am glad that at least there's someone who gave me some hope with my career and thanks for pointing out that they seem to be discouraging me because that is what I have been feeling all along. I know there is hiring freeze. I know the processing of my papers would not be easy. I also know that I do not have enough experience to be hired on a hospital. I know that you still have more hindrances to point out. I know that there is one in a millionth chance for me to become a canadian registered nurse. so what? All your inquiries were very very clear to me but I will not give up. I just want to be a nurse. What's wrong with that?
  12. Visit  joanna73} profile page
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    We aren't trying to discourage. We're being honest with you. Unfortunately, the news isn't pretty. In order to truly grasp how deep these cuts are, you need to have an understanding of Canadian politics and the history of nursing.

    What is happening is nothing new, and those of us who have lived through this (1990-2000) can appreciate the gravity of the situation. Many of you either were not living here at that time or you're too young to remember the economic climate. Nurses and teachers were laid off in the thousands and there was a mass exodus. This is just the beginning.
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  13. Visit  CodeteamB} profile page
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    Well, I'm in it now, so here's my two cents. As a first generation Canadian descendant of internationally educated nurses and physicians I have a slightly different perspective.

    I do believe that the contributions of IENs are valuable to the Canadian nursing profession. The same reason that IENs must be appraised prior to starting practice is one of the reasons that they can enrich our workpool. Education is different to varying degrees around the world and different regions focus on different aspects of practice. If you take a pool of Canadian new grads and compare with a pool of Filipino or Indian new grads you will find that overall the different groups will excel in different areas of practice.

    I do not fear IENs, I do not resent them, and I will never agree that we in this country make immigration "too easy." People immigrating to Canada work very hard to make it happen, often leaving loved ones behind and making other sacrifices. There is still institutionalized racism in the process to immigrate to Canada and many of the lovely, strong women I have worked with over the years have stories that would break your heart.

    I get the anxiety over our workforce and the current political and economic climate. When people are afraid for their livelihood things can get adversarial. In reading this thread I have perceived emotions of anger, fear, anxiety and jealousy from both sides. Again, I get it, it's not easy for either Canadian or International nurses right now.

    All I can say is that the surplus or shortage of nurses in this province is almost wholly a construct of our government's priorities (or whims). It is difficult to predict what is going to happen in the next year, never mind beyond.

    I hope those of you reading this who are working towards your goal of nursing in Canada persevere and are successful.

    I wish nothing but good things for my fellow Albertan nurses.

    I hope we can all learn to see the value that each nurse, regardless of origins, can bring to the table.

    Above all I hope that someday we will live in a province that recognizes the enormous importance of healthcare and the equally vast contribution of nurses and other frontline workers to our society.
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  14. Visit  joanna73} profile page
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    This has absolutely nothing to do with fearing IENs. As I said, they will make their own decisions. He/she asked....we answered truthfully based on current market conditions. It's as simple as that.

    If you believe otherwise, that's fine too. However, I would suggest you do your own research on the matter. What do I know?
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