Demand for Nurses in Canada - page 3
Could somebody give me current info regarding the current demand of nurses in Canada and the usual requirements for foreigners before they are employed in a hospital. Do you happen to know how many... Read More
Aug 22, '08 by Ginger's MomSilverdragon, I have read your blog, I can feel you verbally embrace your new home. I will look forward to reading your experiences when you get a position.
Aug 22, '08 by felisaSo you didn’t work in the UK. But you must have weighed and considered several things before you decided to leave your country and find better opportunities in another.
Just because one is poor and want better income does not mean that he is incapable of caring or making a better community. We do know about what employers value. And we know about commitment. In our country we are also given awards for length of employment. That is precisely why you should not generalize when you hear a few nurses who talk about making stepping stones out of countries. I am only saying that these nurses are just trying to find a better future and I don’t think they mean any harm to one country when they leave and find better opportunities eslewhere. If they are more vocal than other nationalities, it doesn’t mean that others are not doing it as well.
Aug 23, '08 by Pedi-GreeIt's true that there are other individuals and even groups who do things like this, but they're not quite as obvious about it. I worked with a nurse, another Canadian, who took a job in our unit only to gain experience in a certain facet of what we do. She was planning to leave after a year, but never gave our management any clue about it. They, and the rest of the nurses on the unit, thought she was there for the long haul. When she handed in her resignation 11 months into her employment, everybody was stunned - except me. I had been watching her and the kinds of assignments she insisted on (to the point of having a tantrum when, while on orientation she wanted a patient who would only be assigned to our most senior nurses and wouldn't back down until the assignment was changed) and how she kept herself separate from everybody else during breaks and didn't enter into social conversations. I knew she had an agenda. Her actions caused people to feel disrespected and betrayed. They felt like they'd been used and I have to agree. They were.
I don't think anyone would argue that getting ahead and making a good living are intrinsically bad goals. What they're upset about is the idea that they're being used to further someone else's agenda without any consideration of how it will impact on them when the person moves on. Units where there have been significant numbers of people who have done that will develop a dislike for the whole process, and who can blame them for making their opinions known?
Commitment and community never enter into this sort of thing. There is no commitment if you take a job with the intention of leaving once you've gotten what you want out of it, and why bother getting involved in the community if you're not staying? How are the people who have welcomed you with open arms and tried to make the transition easier for you supposed to feel when you turn your back and move on? It eventually becomes like a form of aversion therapy.
Someone else here has said that Canada is a nation of immigrants, and that's very true. Other than the aboriginals here, everyone has come from somewhere else. My own ancestors came here in the 1800s from the UK, Scandinavia and eastern Europe. They left behind parents, siblings, friends and all that was familiar and comfortable, and they didn't have long-distance, text-messaging, webcams or high speed internet to help them stay in touch. My great-grandfather left behind a wife and daughter who refused to accompany him across the ocean until he got himself set up, and then his wife died before he could send for her. His daughter married and remained in England. But he never turned his back on his adopted country and neither did the rest. They made their homes, lives and livelihoods here; they fought in both World Wars for Canada and were glad to do it. They helped open up the west to the future and we're very proud of that. They came and they stayed.
If you're coming to Canada to make a lot of money and then move on to 'greener pastures' you will just have to accept the reactions that come with it. No matter where you're from originally.
Aug 24, '08 by purple_ylemH'lo. I'm also planning to work as a nurse in Canada and stay there for good. I agree with Libie...most Filipino nurses plan to make Canada as their stepping stone to the US. But I believe that it's a great country with one of the best health care systems in the world, and so if you're an internationally educated nurse and you get the chance to practice there, more often than not, you'd stay for good in beautiful Canada.
Aug 24, '08 by lenjoy03You know dear friends, its really bad to generalized. Like on the above post, I dont want to go to US. Yes its a nice country but I do prefer Canada. My boyfriend is a american citizen who wants me to go there, but I still prefer to work in Canada.
Its a matter of choice. Some people want this and some people dont. So its not right to generalized. Peace everyone!
Aug 24, '08 by felisaI totally agree with lenjoy when she says it is a matter of choice. A few years back, while I was visiting the US, I met an employer at a party who was willing to hire me and bring my family over. I seriously considered his offer until I visited Canada. I then decided that Canada was the place to be and declined the job offer. Until now, relatives from the US wouldn’t stop bugging me to go there. They even offered to pay for NCLEX even if I had no plans of working there, in the hopes that passing would make me change my mind. And I did pass. But I’m in Canada and plan on staying here for good. My family is here now. I’d like my kids to have a future here. As a Filipino I feel what the nurses there are going through. It’s tough and some may not make the right or ethical or moral decisions. But I wouldn’t want a working environment where I feel that I am being scrutinized in every move I make just because of what a few nurses are doing.
Aug 24, '08 by Ginger's MomFelisa,
Sounds like you are putting down roots. Have you found a position? Have you taken the CRNE?
How are working conditions compared to your motherland?
Must be good to have your kids with you?
How is the cost of living? Are you able to live comfortably?
Aug 24, '08 by wannab06Quote from Alexk49US or UK does not have a nursing shortage, both and limited immgration to almost nothing.
First impressions are critical. When the first question one asks about a home country is how much money one can make, it gives the impression one only cares about money. Not the people, not nursing or the community.
I am sorry your home country is bad, but to make a community a good one, it takes work. A good citizen has to participate in the community. When the impression is only how much money one can earn, it brings a very taste in my mouth. Most employers value employees who are committed employemt at their institution. Awards are given for length of employment. When an employer employes you it is with the hope it will be a lasting relationship, something like a marriage. You don't enter a marriage with the attitude to leave when a better mate comes along.
There is a shortage of nurses in USA, and statistics show it will be worst in coming years. Many hospital are always recruiting nurses from overseas because of this. The cool thing about being a RN or PN in USA is that, once you take the NCLEX and pass in one state, and maintain a valid license...you can go anywhere in the USA and work without the hassle...because the NCLEX is a national exam, every RN or PN taking the exam take the same thing. NCLEX-RN , NCLEX-PN.
There is even a something that call COMPACT STATES, it's a group of states (13 now) that are members of the COMPACT that allow nurses who got their original license from one of these states to work in any of those states without having to applying for that particular state board license. Eg. say I live in Virginia now and got a job offer in Maryland, I can start working tomorrow without applying for a License for the state of Maryland.
Right now I thinking of relocating to Canada....In Ontario or Calgary, AB area. Looking at the cost of real estate there against the wages..i'm saying, why is it so expensive overthere?
Aug 24, '08 by Ginger's MomCould you site your source of the nursing shortage? In fact the US has been in the state of retrogression and immigration has trickled to near zero.
You are partially correct about the NCLEX, if you have trained in a standard US program, you will have no issues. But if you are foreign trained or attend Exclesior transferring is not as easy, even with the compact agreement.
Aug 24, '08 by NotReady4PrimeTime, RN Senior ModeratorQuote from wannab06Ontario has historically been the industrial heartland of Canada, with high wages to go along with the skilled work performed. It is also where the federal government is seated, in the nations' capitol, Ottawa, and where many multinational corporations have their Canadian head offices. There is a high population density so even small towns have high real estate costs because of their proximity to the big city.Right now I thinking of relocating to Canada....In Ontario or Calgary, AB area. Looking at the cost of real estate there against the wages..i'm saying, why is it so expensive overthere?
Alberta has oil. Oil=$$$ People who work in the oil patch make $$$. Executives make $$$, and the companies that support the oil patch make $$$. Therefore, everything out here costs $$$.
Nursing is considered a public service although the provincial governments usually try to buffer themselves from contract negotiations by having several layers of bureaucracy between them and the front lines. And as such, nursing isn't valued for what it provides to the province's economy. My plumber makes more than twice what I do and I'm at the top of the scale.
Aug 25, '08 by felisaQuote from alexk49before i left for canada, i made a list of potential employers. and since i have visited canada before, i more or less had an idea of where i wanted to stay. the very next day after we landed, i sent my application and got replies (both positive and negative) about a week later. yes, i have found a position. i am working on temporary registration for a nursing home under fraser health, and i hope to take the crne this coming october.felisa,
sounds like you are putting down roots. have you found a position? have you taken the crne?
Quote from alexk49back home, one would be lucky to land a nursing job. and doubly lucky if it were in a tertiary hospital. some government hospitals are the worst - no supplies, low budget, not necessarily an ideal place to be at when one is sick. but (in little ways) you get to help those who are poor, despondent, and no where else to go. here, it's a different kind of nursing. more responsibilities to keep you on your toes the whole day/night. some say the pay is not enough, but it's better than what nurses earn back home.how are working conditions compared to your motherland?
Quote from alexk49yes, i'm glad the kids are with me. we once considered that either my husband or i come to canada ahead and let the rest of the family follow, but later on decided to come together. one for all, all for one. summer is almost over and school will be starting in a few days. they are looking forward to meeting new friends in their new school.must be good to have your kids with you?
Quote from alexk49back home, a family earning average would spend about half the family income on food, sometimes more. after paying the usual bills, rent, tuition, gas, etc. there is usually little or nothing left for savings. so there is a common adage that goes "bawal magkasakit" (or "getting sick is not allowed"), because it might mean borrowing money or selling property to pay for healthcare...here in canada, food is very affordable, and that's saying a lot coming from a family with two teenagers who eat like lions. we pay rent which already includes utilities and cable, a few phone bills, internet, transportation, etc. at the end of the month we still have enough to indulge in a few wants, watch a couple of movies, and add to our savings. are we living comfortably? yes.how is the cost of living? are you able to live comfortably?
Aug 25, '08 by libieQuote from purple_ylemH'lo. I'm also planning to work as a nurse in Canada and stay there for good. I agree with Libie...most Filipino nurses plan to make Canada as their stepping stone to the US. But I believe that it's a great country with one of the best health care systems in the world, and so if you're an internationally educated nurse and you get the chance to practice there, more often than not, you'd stay for good in beautiful Canada.
hi purple! just want to make it clear that i didnt say that most filipino nurses plan to make Canada as their stepping stone to US.
This was my actual post
"hello there! i beg to disagree with that Filipino nurse who told you that. i know a lot of philippine nurses who would not want to work in another country. It's just a matter of personal choices.
i also want to agree with you that other people, not only Filipinos, should not make Canada as their stepping stone for them to go to US. Canada is a great country and i know you'll love it here"
--you can check it here --http://allnurses.com/forums/f108/demand-nurses-canada-323593-4.html
Please be careful next time. I dont support those people who uses another country as their stepping stone to go to US and i also think it's unfair to generalize filipino nurses or any other nationality.
anyway, best of luck and God bless to you.. Just PM me if you want to ask something. Hopefully, you'll love it here in canada. What province are you planning to register?Last edit by libie on Aug 25, '08
Aug 25, '08 by chinkyWe are all brothers/sisters by profession, I think you can tell those nurses who are very verbal with regards to their plan what you really think, since it is affecting the working relationship in the hospital. I can understand how you feel when you go out of your way to help them and they will just up and leave when greener pastures comes a calling..Since these nurses are new, they are orientating to everything about Canada, I think you can extend more by orienting them of the advantages in Canada and how teamwork/effort will help and how employers/fellow staffs would really appreciate it if they could stay and become a part of the workforce...I think communication is the KEY...In my own opinion, they don't mean any harm nor offense...