CNO refuse to take CRNE. - page 3

I am a nurse in the philippines. I also have experience. Im also registered nurse in NEW York City. Before I move here in Canada, I send my credentials to CNO including endorsement of license from the US. I submitted my... Read More

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    As an aide I have to say, it is really important for a nurse to be able to speak English. We have IEN who are nurses here and we have walked out of report trying to piece together what we just heard. Report is important, we need to have that information to give the proper care to our clients. We have IEN who are aides and can not understand what is being said, this has put patients at risk in our facility. Yes, you may be a cardiac nurse, you may be great at that job, but if you walk in on a client who is sitting in mid air between her wheelchair and her bed and you just stand there.......or when your partner comes to get the client at least onto the bed so she doesn't fall and your partner has to ask for a lift 4 times before you understand what she is saying, all the education you have does not count.

    It might hurt to hear what is being said here but it is true. We are all part of a team and we all need to be able to communicate in order for our patients to have the quality of care we would all want for our own loved ones.

    We are also all proud of our education. I am proud of our Canadian education system, the length of time for the aide course, the amount of information that is covered(10 months not 10 weeks), the lpn course being our old 2 year RN course, our RNs being so educated that we all can have confidence in them.

    So please don't take what is being said the wrong way. The more information you have to get licensed the better, right? If it means taking an ESL class that doesn't mean you're not a good nurse, it means you're willing to give every chance to our patients to ensure they have the care that you want to give them.

    *disclaimer* this was written after a 12hr night shift so may not be as eloquent as I'd like it to be.
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    Gosh this argument is just plain silly. Any idea why CNO require IEN to pass an English Proficiency Exam? of course we all know the reason right? If we go back and forth about this argument, might as well debate why the need for CNO to have that requirement. As long as you have a passable english and you don't compromise the safety of the patients, I'm fine. We don't need to set a very high standard on this.
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    I disagree. We do need to set a high standard on the ability to communicate.
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    I beg to differ. It's an absolute necessity that nurses who wish to work in Canada are able to communicate clearly, concisely and accurately in English. And not only must the standard be high, it must be universal. I work in an ICU in a teaching hospital. We have a large number of physicians from other countries who are doing fellowships here and the variability in their English language skills is huge. Because they're here as "students" their English proficiency isn't considered important. I've listened to reports from surgery fellows that I could barely piece together and I've been asked questions by them where I had no clue what they wanted to know. Other times I've tried to explain changes in a patient's condition that require intervention and had the fellow look at me with no comprehension at all. When a patient is dying in front of me, I have to trust that the physician making the medical decisions will communicate those to me in a language I understand. Anything less compromises the safety of the patient. Why should it be different for nurses? And who decides "passability"? There are strong reasons for every requirement the Colleges have in place for registration.
    Last edit by NotReady4PrimeTime on Jun 15, '14
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    I have no idea why you are bickering over English requirements. The OP never once said she was refused due to English inefficiency. I, in fact, found her English quite understandable, she asked for advice.
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    Haven't been on this site for awhile, I myself is a nurse from the Philippines and now a RN here in Ontario. Some of you guys are totally not helping at all. I thought this site is made to help out nurses who needs advice. I myself did seek advice when I am in the process of getting my license here. I must say, I AM NOT GOOD IN ENGLISH but my english is good enough for my patients to understand and for me to understand them. And I believe that is enough. I am commended of being the best nurse on all my jobs, In spite of a little language barrier. She is just asking for some advise. and yes as PRAIRIENURSE1989 says she didn't say that she was denied of pursuing her RN career here in ON because of english inefficiency. You don't solely need to be fluent in english but you have to have the knowledge and skills of a NURSE. You are not english teachers or professors to be so flawless on your grammar.

    To iamdi, College must have a reason for the refusal. I myself is a RN in the Philippines and NY as well.. As others have said, I completed the BET as well and that helped me to get their permission for me to take the CRNE. I took the CRNE after that and passed it the first time. I am now practicing here in Ontario for 2 years now. Wish you all the best. PM me if I could help you on your journey.




    Quote from Prairienurse1989
    I have no idea why you are bickering over English requirements. The OP never once said she was refused due to English inefficiency. I, in fact, found her English quite understandable, she asked for advice.
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    of course you need to be proficient in english, communication is key in nursing, with the patients and the team. Nursing is a profession and you need to be professional. Maybe then, you can properly pronounce names instead of calling all male clients "papa" and females "mama'. I was an IEN as well and accepted and graduated from a bridging program. Now I practice as an RN in acute care. I am glad the standards are set high. Rules and regulations must be followed.
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    hi gailtan, I moved here in quebec 2 mos ago. I want to ask eventhough u only have temporary license from quebec, can you transfer it to CNO and will they give you fulltime license? or do u still need to take ielts exam? by the way, I haven't started my registration yet. im still confused if I will register in quebec or CNO because I heard they might accept old nclex-passer next year.
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    Why do you want to leave Quebec already?
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    In 2015 it's true that our Colleges of Nursing will accept "old NCLEX-passers" BUT... the exam a person has written as part of the registration process is only one part of the process, the very last one in fact. Before you can get to the exam you have to document and demonstrate that you've graduated from an approved nursing education program (which varies from province to province and from country to country), that you have reasonable proficiency in the language spoken where you plan to work, that you have evidence of safe nursing practice, that you have no criminal past, that you have legal authorization to work in Canada and that you have an understanding of the legal responsibilities of nursing in Canada. Until you meet ALL of those requirements the exam means nothing.

    As a general rule, you should apply for registration in the province where you intend to live and work, not where you'll have the easiest time meeting the requirements. While there is registration reciprocity between provinces, IENs will still be assessed from square one.
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