- 0Aug 1, '02 by BetterBursaryHey,
I'm a student nurse in England. When I qualify I am thinking of emigrating to another country for a few years and I think I'd quite like to move to Canada. I've been there on holiday and also have some relatives over there (Vancouver & Maine Island). My parents also lived there before I was born (Kenora) and I think it's a nice country.
So I was wondering how is nursing over your way? As the NHS (Nation Health Service) over is here is not that appealing, when I qualify I will go in at about £16,000 p/a (before tax) which is $39,712 p/a in candian dollars. I mean is the pay better out there? I've heard anywhere is better than the UK! How is your health service run out there? Over here everyone pays 17.5% tax on everything and then tax on earnings (depends how much u earn to how much they tax, but up to 40%!) which pays for free health care for all. However the Government don't think to pay their hard working nurses and decent wage through it all! You don't have to have all the insurance stuff, it's all free at the point of delivery which is good from the cradle to the grave as they like to say...
Anyway, I've gone on more than I wanted to!
Any info would be cool!
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- 0Aug 1, '02 by disherBetterBursary, The majority of Canadian nurses work at unionized hospitals. Salary range varies from province to province you can see the salaries at the canadian federation of nursing union website
Our healthcare system like yours is publicly funded by our tax dollar (federal and provinical taxes).
We have quite a few nurses from the UK in Toronto, many were recruited in the late 1980's and ended up staying so I guess that says something good about living in Canada.
- 0Aug 4, '02 by bhppyI think disher did a great job at explaining it!
In my province the provincial tax is 8% the Fed.(GST) is at 7% which means the whole of Ontario is taxed 15% on about everything. The provincial tax varies from province to province.
The tax on the salary again is dependant on how much you earn.
- 0Aug 5, '02 by adrienurseI encourage you to come to Canada. Your parents are from Kenora? I live an hour and a half away! I can only speak for nursing in Manitoba. I am relatively happy in my present job. There is a nursing shortage, of course, but staffing seems to be better in the city centres than in rural areas. Most areas in the country have recently received raises in pay, BC being one of them. There seem to be a lot more political issues in BC so I imagine that nursing there is not without its share of challenges and frustrations.
Make sure you do your research before accepting a position. Some areas have worse staffing than others. BC is a beautiful place. I'd live there if I could.
- 0Aug 5, '02 by elanurseHi Betterbursary, I am also a student nurse - Toronto. I am originally from Scotland. Have been in Canada for 13.5 years and love it. I think you should give it a go when you qualify. Just check out what you will need to do in order to achieve your license here - check it out with "College of Nurses" of whichever province you want to move to. You will most likely have to sit a challenge exam at the very least before you are able to practice. However, as in alot of countries Canada is currently declaring a shortage of nurses with prediction it will last for many years.
A visit to the area you are interested in would serve you well as the amount of pay and taxes are not all you have to consider when you make such a big move. It takes patience and time to settle to a new way of life. Good Luck........in your studies and if you decide to move. Elanurse
- 0Aug 6, '02 by zebidee101Hi, I am from Scotland I trained as an RGN '87 and came to canada 2 years ago and am working in Toronto. There are several things you need to know about the system over here before you make the decision.
long winded post(sorry)
There are things called Dr's orders which means that everything that that patient needs must be written by a Dr on this shhet eg activity,meals, shower/bath, vitals(what and how often),investigations and meds. the nurse then takes the order sends a copy to pharmacy (if it has a med on it) then writes out any medications prescribed onto a second sheet and another nurse has to sign that it has been transcribed correctly the other orders must then get copied into a kardex/care plan.
in other words the paperwork is horrendous and nursing decisions are taken out of your control.
because many of the hospitals are unionised if you were to get a job one day after someone else on the same floor and you wanted vacation the other person has the right to bump you and take the time slot you requested so essentially if someone has even one day more seniority they have the right to bump you every year for vacation(fair?) and you only get 2 weeks a year
I hope that it is only this hospital that I am working at but the medical staff are appauling(not all though but 80%) they look down at nurses treat us as idiots and are rude and uncaring to their patients and their families
IMHO people are not allowed to die. Patients who code with multiple co-morbidities are ventilated, dialysed and kept alive just because Dr's and nurses are scared of being sued.
medications are dispensed as single unit dose. This means that if a medication is prescribed/ordered a copy of the order is sent to pharmacy the drug and patient details are entered into a computer the pharmacist then prepares the med and then it gets sent to the floor/unit (just have a guess how long it takes)Yes longer than it should.
I don't want to sound all negative I apologise for that but it is extremely difficult to make the transition from one system to another. I appreciate that the NHS is no bed of roses either or I would not have stayed here for 2 years and am planning a 3rd
mmmm what eles can I tell you.
get a job offer first before applying to immigration it will make the process easier. The employer has to apply for a special job offer to be able to accept foreign workers
most employers here want 1-2 years experience and try to get some in ICU/CCU they are desparate for critical care nurses
To be able to practice you must sit your Canadian RN exam. It is a pretty easy no brainer multiple choice. Just some of the terminology is different you can buy the book and cd rom of how to sit the exam just don't confuse it with the NCLEX.
many hospitals offer relocation bonuses so shop around.
To purge myself of any more negativity I have got to say that life here can be pretty good. Give it a try if you don't like it there are loads of other options. I think that it's a bigger risk not to take one.
- 0Aug 6, '02 by fergus51Zebidee,
It isn't like that here at all. Nursing decisions are nurses' perogative and docs write orders for medical decisions (like meds, etc.). We also don't have to have 2 nurses see and transcribe orders, the unit clerk does it on days, one nurse does it on nights.
Once our vacation time has been aproved no one can bump us. In fact, if the hospital needs us during our vacation time we get a BIG load of cash (double or tripple time) and we can't be forced to come back. And I think those at the top of the seniority scale here get something like 8 weeks vacation.
Medical staff....well... we have some freaks, but most are good.
People are only codes if they want to be codes. If they or their families decide it is their time to go we let them go peacefully.
Our meds are kept stocked on the floor.
Frankly, I am scared to go to Toronto if this is the case. I am in BC and we have our own set of problems with gov't cuts and short staffing, but not those things you mentioned. I have heard things are really good in Alberta. A friend is working at Foothills hospital and her nurse to patient ratio is 4 to 1! I would KILL for that on a med surg unit. Pay is good, benes are good, relocation money is available.