Alberta LPN - page 3

by Pug Lover

Hi Everybody! I am not new to AllNurses, although this is my first post. I will be attending Norquest College this Sept for the full time practical nursing program. I am set to graduate on the spring of 2009. I was wondering if... Read More


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    I think all that shows is that there were layoffs in the 90s in Manitoba. As there were in most Provinces. Certainly in Alberta the UNA union only protects RN and Psych Nurse positions - because they only represent RNs and Psych nurses.
    Maybe we can just agree to disagree on this one.

    Do you think that the AUPE deal might not pass?
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    It showed that OR and Dialysis jobs for LPNs were almost eliminated and that RNs are still in many jobs formerly held by LPNs.

    The LPNs and the RNs were in the same union and look at who was protected.

    Let's just say, the LPNs I work with are not happy at all with it. I've heard rumours that housekeeping isn't happy with it either.
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    As someone who lived in Manitoba from 1986 to 2002, I can tell you that this is not totally accurate. MNU has represented 97% of nurses - RNs, LPNs and RPNs for more than 30 years. When the province started targeting the LPNs as expendable, Vera Chernecki as president of MNU was very vocal in her and MNU's opinion that the government was making a huge mistake. She fought hard to keep LPNs at the bedside and to protect their incomes and benefits but wasn't as successful as she would have liked. I went to school with 50 LPNs who felt they were being forced to become RNs, some of them already in their fifties and dreaming of retirement, because the government and American consultant Connie Curran had decided they weren't good value for the money. They needed an income and saw this as the only way. The province closed the educational programs and laid off the majority of LPNs across the province. Vera was soon proven correct and the government ate crow.

    "Thirdly, to improve the use of available nursing resources, and as a result of
    intense lobbying by the MNU, the government began a reversal of the Tory policy
    of LPN deletions and directed RHAs to change the staffing mix within health
    facilities to allow more flexibility in hiring practices, such as adding more LPNs to
    the mix. The MNU viewed the re-introduction of LPNs into facilities as an
    affirmation of the important role LPNs play in the delivery of health care.
    "

    I was one of about 800 nurses who marched to the Legislature on March 15, 1999 carrying an umbrella to tell the government that we were tired of singing in the rain while they sat on their "rainy day fund". It was an amazingly uplifting experience. In May 2000, I was involved as a staff member and unit representative in an independent assessment of the working conditions and patient safety issues on the pediatric intensive care unit at Children's Hospital. The committee found for the nursing staff and more than two dozen recommendations were implemented. In 2005 I was a guest of the president, Maureen Hancharyk, at the MNU 30th annual general meeting. I found the MNU to be a very responsive and responsible union; UNA is not even in the same league.

    The history of MNU is one of inclusion and fairness. This might provide some insight into events in Manitoba since the formation of MNU in 1975: http://www.nursesunion.mb.ca/about-us/history.html
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    It's a good idea, but with the amount of money they are spending on their contracts etc, why don't they just look under their nose and offer programs to lpn's doing bridging programs?
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    We were talking about that last week at work. And no, these nurses from overseas are not going to save us. Some have already been advised that they aren't cutting it.

    We find it really interesting that these nurses are coming over now that the bridge program in Alberta is gone. CH could have saved a load of money by offering the diploma RN course through GMCC to their LPNS. Tie it to 2 or 3 years service and they could have saved a lot of trouble. Most of the LPNs working have ties to the Edmonton area and wouldn't be jumping ship as soon as they could.

    BUT that would have left LPN positions vacant. If you are working medicine or surgery in any of the area hospitals you know that there are shifts when there are more LPNs on the floor than RNs. There aren't enough LPNs to fill the vacancies for LPN positions.
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    Hi there!! I was one of the RNs here in the Philippines hired by Capital Health just recently as an LPN. We were given the employment just last week.. It says in my contract that I'll be paid 17.91 per hour and will be working in the University of Alberta Hospital, Northern Alberta Renal Program as an LPN. Im just concerned about what Im reading here in the posts.. Hope you could help me.

    They said that after being an LPN we'll be GNs and then eventually after passing CRNE be RNs.

    Thanks alot for your help.
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    You won't be a GN until you have successfully upgraded your education. They've hired all of you as LPNs because your BSN from the Philippines is only equivalent to an LPN diploma in Alberta. BUT... before you can work as an LPN you will have to write and pass the CLPNE. And $17.91 an hour in a job that won't have many evening, night or weekend hours with the associated shift differentials isn't a lot of money in this economy. (Natural gas is expected to cost nearly $13 a gJ in August, rents are at least $1000 a month and gas is $1.27 a litre causing prices of everything to climb.) In order to become an RN, you will have to take university courses here to upgrade your education to Alberta standards, at which time they will consider you a GN. You will have a certain amount of time after that to write and pass your CRNE. If you aren't successful you will have to revert to LPN until you do.

    The foreign recruitment program was sold to the people of Alberta as a measure to increase RNs in the province. Very few people know that what it has done is created a huge new issue of training the recruits to meet the standards of the province. Who will pay for all of this?
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    Evenings add $1.75/hr to the wage, Weekends add another $1.75/hr. That's under the contract that ended in March of this year.

    If Safrafrancesca is working in the Renal Programe, that means dialysis training and certification which will add a whopping 0.60/hr to the base rate.

    Depending if the contract is ratified or not there will be a minimum of a 15% increase and premiums increase next year (that's lousy) and the dialysis, OR, and ortho techs will get an increase in the certification rate.

    So basically they increased the number of LPNs around but haven't come up with any decent plans for admitting them to RN upgrading other than welcome to year two of a four year degree.
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    Quote from janfrn
    You won't be a GN until you have successfully upgraded your education. They've hired all of you as LPNs because your BSN from the Philippines is only equivalent to an LPN diploma in Alberta. BUT... before you can work as an LPN you will have to write and pass the CLPNE. And $17.91 an hour in a job that won't have many evening, night or weekend hours with the associated shift differentials isn't a lot of money in this economy. (Natural gas is expected to cost nearly $13 a gJ in August, rents are at least $1000 a month and gas is $1.27 a litre causing prices of everything to climb.) In order to become an RN, you will have to take university courses here to upgrade your education to Alberta standards, at which time they will consider you a GN. You will have a certain amount of time after that to write and pass your CRNE. If you aren't successful you will have to revert to LPN until you do.

    The foreign recruitment program was sold to the people of Alberta as a measure to increase RNs in the province. Very few people know that what it has done is created a huge new issue of training the recruits to meet the standards of the province. Who will pay for all of this?
    I am curious why Alberta only views a BSN from the Philippines at the LPN level? In the US a BSN from the Philippines is still considered a BSN. I think that is true for BC also. However, I think it is great that Alberta has such a high standard. I met a girl in BC that was trained in Alberta and it does seem her training was superior to the LPN program in BC or the US for that matter since that is where I was educated (although I am Canadian). But I went on to get my RN and am now working on my BSN while working as an RN.
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    Basically, CLPNA, CARNA, and Capital Health went overseas looked at a lot of schools and found that many of the BScN courses had more in common with the PN education than the RN. I've seen a few of the recruits at work and their clinical skills are weak despite having a "adapting to Canadian practice" course at Norquest.

    I've worked in AB and BC and can say that from what I saw some of the PN schools in BC seem to have taught the bare minimum to get through CPNRE. There also was a different mindset in the utilization of LPNs there. In Alberta, I was always seen as a valued nurse with good skills, in BC my scope of practice was limited and many of the areas that LPNs work in Alberta were deemed to be "RN only".
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