Shocked by new grads at job fair - page 4
I'm a BSN/RN with 5 years experience and I'd like to share my experience with a recent job fair. It was advertised as a job fair for "Experienced RNs ONLY!" (I won't say what organization put... Read More
0Jun 30, '12 by OnlybyHisgraceRNSome new grads are in their 20's some in their 50's, based on the OP I'm going to take a wild guess these was young new grads.
People who dress like this regardless of age make a bad name for the profession. I've seen both seasoned and young nurses dress unprofessional at interviews and work. I understand this was your observation, but realize I've seen nurses with your experience come to work and interviews looking like they rolled out of bed. Some experience nurses lost their give a damn and think their resume will get them a job quicker than their appearance. First impression lasts a long time. Goes both ways.
4Jun 30, '12 by VICEDRN, BSN, RNQuote from JZ_RNWill echo the sentiment.As a new RN I would never behave like this. Don't peg this on young people or new grads alone. I have seen many experienced nurses act just as ridiculously. I am sorry you had this experience but you can't judge us all as one big lumped in group!
I walked into a job fair as a new grad dressed to the nines in a suit and heels, hair and make up done, let some crusty old nurse manager insult me as I handed off my resume and gave her my best selling points and got offered an interview several days later and eventually a job on that unit.
Its not that I haven't seen unprofessional new grads around nursing these last two years, its just that I have also seen a fair number of experienced RNs who are used to having a wide open job market and getting whatever position they apply for that they are contemptous of even competing for a job.
One nurse manager told me that an experienced RN was shocked when she wasn't hired. She had shown up to the interview in a beer tshirt, flip flops and late to boot!! She was so used to her experience trumping, well, everything. lol.
Take heart, guys. Show up well dressed, act professional and try not to let it get you down. You will find something. :-)
3Quote from fortheloveof!!!!i don't disagree that parents should be teaching this sort of thing at home. but so many parents obviously don't. it couldn't hurt to at least review the facts during one's last semester in school.while i know there are schools that aren't that great, i don't think schools are to blame for this. i feel that people should know how to act and dress for interviews well before graduating from college. this should be something taught by parents, not schools.
1Quote from nylalovei'd actually prefer to be treated like another person in the room.unfortunately, i've also encountered rns like the ones you described above.. in actual hospitals. i've encountered a few that looked miserable and treat you like just another person in a room as opposed to an actual patient who needs care. these same few, are the same ones that won't crack a smile, don't even say hi to you upon entering the room.
3Jun 30, '12 by grpman"He had 10 years experience and was really saddened at how much professionalism and dignity has disappeared from the profession. I agreed."
This article has a slight feeling of "I use to walk to school in the snow uphills both ways" vibe, but I'll still take your word that everyone there was either loud, poorly dressed, childish, or very obese. However, as a student I can assure you that there are many of us that are bright, well dressed, properly groomed, articulate, and more than ready to compete for what few jobs are available.
I often read on Allnurses how posters tell us that it is now hard to land a job in nursing. With that being said, I wouldn't judge the nursing profession by new grads that are not likely to get hired. Judge it by looking in a miror and by those working at your side.
I can't argue that the OP did or did not see what was at the job fair, but I can say that nursing is still enticing the intelligent, compassionate, and the hygienically sound.
I do find it hard to believe that nursing has deteriorated so horribly in the last 5 years that you became a nurse. I disagree. For all the students, universities, instructors, and future patients...I disagree.Last edit by grpman on Jun 30, '12 : Reason: spelling
1Jun 30, '12 by marcos9999, MSN, RNI think that if new grads were getting jobs or at least respect for all the work and dedication they had to do to put themselves through nursing school, they would be more mindful of how they are dressing. When employers don't care about their prospect workers, there is obviously a opposite and equal reaction to that behavior. Not everyone does that but you can see it in the general public.
0Jun 30, '12 by LaceElaineI'm only in pre-nursing And this really saddens me. I wish people took more pride in themselves... I always like to dress nice wherever I go. You never know who you're going to meet. First impressions really are important. I can't believe people would present themselves in that way. But like a few other posters said, I'll be glad to compete with them.
Sometimes I wonder if I was born in the wrong era...
6Jun 30, '12 by AOx1 Guide[FONT=book antiqua]It sounds as if the recruiting fair was poorly planned if all materials were gone before experienced nurses were brought in. The recruiters should have held back a portion of the information and freebies. I am also finding it hard to believe that all the new grads were this unprofessional. I have taught hundreds of nursing students, and only one has ever come to a job fair inappropriately dressed, and she was immediately sent home to change. Our students receive detailed information on professional dress and demeanor, have multiple mock interviews, and attend job fairs on a regular basis. I consider it to be a part of their professional socialization. I do agree that in many ways the school plays a role in the professionalism of their graduates and students. While at the hospital, I received a compliment that the facility manager loved having our students as they are always professional in behavior and dress. The manager then mentioned that another local school recently had a student show up for clinical preparation in short shorts, a cut-off shirt and strappy sandals.
Should all students/young adults receive information from their families on professional decorum? Of course they should, but the reality is that they do not. The student we sent home for unprofessional attire was embarrassed. She was wearing an extremely short skirt that did not adequately cover London or France. We told her that she was a lovely student and we wanted her to appear as a young professional that she will soon be, and described (again) what type of attire she should wear to an interview. When she returned, she looked very professional. It is also important to remember that some students can't afford nice clothing. A few years ago, we started a local clothing closet stocked with gently used professional attire (like the Dress of Success program on a small scale), and we often refer students to this resource.
I suppose it frustrates me when we complain about lack of professionalism, but won't help to address the root cause. Making fun of/complaining about people who are fat, make poor clothing/makeup choices, and lack business etiquette won't help. But I have found that the majority of people WANT to look nice and make a good impression, and just don't know how. OP, maybe this could be an avenue for you to help mentor some new nurses just entering the profession.
For some perspective, here is a quote:
[FONT=book antiqua][FONT=book antiqua]"The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they alone knew everything and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for girls, they are forward, immodest and unwomanly in speech, behaviour and dress."
Whose quote is this? It is from Aristotle (384-322 BC).
0Jun 30, '12 by netglowbeen to one of those job fairs before. most likely the casual group were nursing students told to go for a learning module as they are allowed to go in with new grads.
here is the scoop, for the most part in this economy, no one gets a thing from this dog and pony show from that specific event organizer. once you've been to one, you figure that out. no need to bother for another. experienced or not, what happens is the major health systems in your area will trot someone out to man the table and at most they will just tell you to apply electronically thru their website with the masses. some will be friendly and give you a card, or take your resume and put it on the already 50 high stack, but nobody i've ever talked to has got an interview (experienced or not).
i noticed the same you did, and as i am one to do, i questioned some of the jeans folks, and found they were students, and, most already knew that even if they had their licenses that these things were pretty bogus for all involved. so, they understood more than i did at that juncture as a new grad then, btw all dressed up nice.
i will agree as far as hearing laughable stuff from some rns in the 15 to 25 year range of experience, some currently in pharma who are going to lose their jobs are sure they can walk in anywhere (in flip flops) and be offered an immense amount of money to work there (there is a nursing shortage, ya know :uhoh21. i've actually had to sit and listen to one say she can walk in and get almost 3 figures... this she held to as i calmly asked her when the last time she had worked the icu? she answered that she had left for pharma 7 years ago...
nursing is not the noble, altruistic,
self-sacrificing job it used to be.
florence nightingale is dead.
0Jun 30, '12 by SweetPEIThat is sad. I view dress codes, for any occasion, as a way to respect and look included in a specific group. When you go to a five star restaurant, you dress the part, when you go the opera, you dress the part. Likewise, when you go to a job interview, you dress the part. Didn't these new grads know that a job fair is a part of the interview process, and because of that, appropriate attire should be worn? On the same token, it should make it easier for more professional people to move a step up. Hopefully it worked in the OP's favor.
0Jun 30, '12 by sandyfeetQuote from AOx1This is a GREAT idea. My nursing school did a lot of wonderful things for me and I love hearing ideas of how to give back. I'm going to contact my school![FONT=book antiqua]
It is also important to remember that some students can't afford nice clothing. A few years ago, we started a local clothing closet stocked with gently used professional attire (like the Dress of Success program on a small scale), and we often refer students to this resource.
9[font=courier new]i find it interesting that being overweight (fat, obese, however you choose to put it) is looked at for the purposes of this thread the same as wearing shorts and flip flops to a job fair. i can tell you that fat people can (and do) make the effort to dress professionally and appropriately. being fat is not the same as being ill-mannered, unprofessional or inappropriately dressed.
4Jun 30, '12 by Laila1219Quote from Ruby VeeAgreed. While I completely agree with the OP regarding the unprofessionalism of the clothing, nails, and loudness I was wondering what the obesity had to do with it.I find it interesting that being overweight (Fat, obese, however you choose to put it) is looked at for the purposes of this thread the same as wearing shorts and flip flops to a job fair. I can tell you that fat people can (and do) make the effort to dress professionally and appropriately. Being fat is not the same as being ill-mannered, unprofessional or inappropriately dressed.