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- Jul 2, '12 by jenniferb79Quote from MN-NurseI usually have a pretty good attitude and my behavior and demeanor are sometimes dependent on the environment. I see nothing wrong with pointing out how silly something sounds on a message board, which I would not treat the same way as an interview. To clarify my question so as not too sound snarky, what is the difference between quietly texting or otherwise using your smartphone and quietly reading a magazine? Are both disrespectful? Because I just see both as a means to pass the time.
THIS is exactly what they are talking about. Not the magazine. Your attitude.
- Jul 2, '12 by tothepointeLVNSwap out the word phone for game boy and then consider whether it is different or not. Because honestly that is what people often think when they see someone sitting with their phone they don't think your reading your phone they think your playing with your phone. It doesn't matter what you think your doing its what the other person sees. Judge not lest ye be judged you say? Well your interviewer might not subscribe to that philosophy. A interview is all about judging who is going to be worth the money they are paying them.
Personally I wouldn't read a magazine either I would be taking in my surroundings, thinking over quietly what I was going to say and just being quiet, still and poised. Your interview time is forfeit to you. It's been allocated to the "get a job so you can pay your bills" account.
- Jul 2, '12 by L&DRegisteredNurseQuote from decembergrad2011I love your posts and agree. I am a bit older then you and started school before technology and finished with it, as well as I am going to college now. I guess I should complain the most since I had to suffer both ends. I completely agree though because many ofmy classmates are your age or even younger and they are very mature, hard-working individuals.
I can't wait until I'm old enough to complain about the younger generation!! It solves everything!
Possibly I am not the "typical" 24 year old, but I have plenty of friends around my age and we're all fairly intelligent. Maybe I do not hang out with these inferior young adults that are being described here. However, if you were to judge me off the fact that I'm texting while waiting for an interview, or that I wear jeans with holes in them while I'm out at the mall, or because I'm laughing with my friends about a joke, then so be it. It doesn't really affect my life and just makes you come off as old and bitter. Here's a theory: why not look at the fact that society is changing? We do not value the same things that the older generation values. We interact in different ways than the older generation did. You can get into a philosophical debate over whether one is better or worse, but that's not the issue at hand here. It has always been this way. To think otherwise is strangely naive.
If you think technology makes things easier, you're out of touch. It makes us more accessible, and because of that, it means that the goalposts can shift at a teacher's whim. I don't know how many times I've been contacted at the last minute because of a schedule change through email. Because we have the ease of access of finding sources, we are expected to turn in assignments more quickly and in greater quantity. If you think that Google is an acceptable search engine for collegiate papers, you were lucky. I've never used it for more than a starting point, and certainly it's never led me to a legitimate resource.
By the way, how many miles uphill in the snow was the walk to school?
- Jul 2, '12 by nursel56Quote from whichone'spinkThe person who wrote the article and one of the three professionals interviewed are millennials. The tone of the article isn't derogatory towards your age group at all.I am beginning to think that the media is shaping the narrative that 20-somethings are a good-for-nothing lot, so that the powers-that-be can forever have their lost generation, forever dependent on the government just for basic living. The Democrats have their voting base for years to come, and the Republicans have their convenient scapegoats to blame for why our country is in the toilet.
Back to the general subject matter. I get the impression that younger people don't like to read much these days. It's surprising how often I find that someone who has a college degree replaces a fairly common word with a word or phrase that sounds sort of like the actual word, sometimes with humorous results like "I felt like a pee-on". I honestly don;t understand how it's possible to take the general ed classes in English and History and come out with such mediocre language skills. This isn't a complaint about millennials, it's a complaint about the system itself.
As long as I'm on an old and bitter roll here -- why is it that whenever someone suggests what sort of behavior, dress, or type of resume HR people are looking for, at least half the respondents become defiant and assert their right to wear what they want, say what they want, spell the way they want, or put their experience as a pole dancer on their job history? Don't you want the job? Sounds like a simple equation to me - I think I'd rather be employed than sitting at home reveling in my victory over the old bag who interviewed me.
- Jul 3, '12 by decembergrad2011For the record, I wore a pair of slacks, a suit jacket, and a blouse that did not show my cleavage to my interview. My 30-something competition wore jeans and a pretty tight shirt. I will allow you guys to deduce who was offered the position. I guess my resistance and anger at this article comes from the fact that it targets young people when these attitudes are present in all age groups. Honestly, the texts I receive with my stepmother's text shorthand make me laugh out loud because she writes as ridiculous as you've described.
I agree that people in general do not read the way they used to, but again, I do not believe that is an age situation entirely. My mother used to read every night before bed; now she watches Netflix before checking out. I cannot agree more that lack of reading contributes to lack of language skills. The younger you stop reading, the greater the impact.
My nursing school prepared me with interviewing skills and a courses in career management. I knew the hoops I would have to jump through as well as how my generation would be perceived by others. I guess some graduates are not so lucky.
- Jul 3, '12 by tothepointeLVNAgree with you entirely on the reading aspect. During nursing school students from my cohort asked me what my "secret" was or how they could improve. I told them they needed to learn how to read. That their primary problem was they spent to much time reading the textbook very slowly and then still not comprehending. Or getting a test question wrong because they didn't understand what it was asking without realizing they didn't understand. I advised them to read anything and everything they could get their hands on. To write notes in their own hand so it would become encoded into their heads. If you type your notes your brain doesn't really differentiate between typing one word or another as much as writing does because the movements are so similar. Most likely in 10 minutes I'll forget I wrote this post and read again as if someone else wrote it.
I don't wear suit jackets to interviews because it's often to hot for it but I do take one with me and decide when I get there.
- Jul 4, '12 by VICEDRNQuote from BlueDevil,DNPHad to read this to several of my coworkers, husband and friends. We seem 50/50 split on whether or not you are serious. We did however have a great laugh about it since your attitude seems to be universally considerd silly either way.I can't speak for her, but yes, I would. You should sit straight, with your ankles crossed and your hands in your lap like a lady and wait patiently. The phone (if you even had to bring it in) is off, not on vibrate, OFF, in your pocket book, on the floor. Well, if you want the job that is. If you don't, text away and I'll hire a person that knows how to behave. geez.
And yes, I am perfectly serious. They are called manners.
I admit, I am now torn: I would like to weed out potential managers like you before I get hired. I am hardworking, experienced ER/Trauma nurse with excellent job reviews: a fierce patient advocate, assessment skills above my experience level, hardworking, knowledgeable, and professional. Should I read the NYT in the waiting room on my phone or no?Last edit by VICEDRN on Jul 4, '12 : Reason: typo
- Jul 4, '12 by leenakQuote from VICEDRNI think it is the fact that those before you have caused a bad reputation. It is disturbing to me to see the number of students that can't be with their iPhones or what not for 5 minutes, even during class. Sure, if you have priorities in life that require you to have your phone, on and on vibrate, then go right ahead but step out and make a call if you need to but the constant texting in every class is annoying.Had to read this to several of my coworkers, husband and friends. We seem 50/50 split on whether or not you are serious. We did however have a great laugh about it since your attitude seems to be universally considerd silly either way.
I admit, I am now torn: I would like to weed out potential managers like you before I get hired. I am hardworking, experienced ER/Trauma nurse with excellent job reviews: a fierce patient advocate, assessment skills above my experience level, hardworking, knowledgeable, and professional. Should I read the NYT in the waiting room on my phone or no?
And in terms of interviews, I'm guessing interviewers have seen similar things where someone is waiting for an interview, doing whatever on their phone but they don't put the phone away as soon as they are called. That is a bad sign and would definitely count again someone. If you keep seeing something like that, then you will of course have a knee-jerk reaction if you see someone on their phone while waiting.
- Jul 4, '12 by nursel56Quote from tothepointeLVNI was flat broke when I went job-hunting so I picked up a few dark colored A-line skirts with a couple of light colored blouses and a tasteful sweater set at the Goodwill. I haven't worn a full suit ever. I don't know what the other applicants were wearing because there was no crowd waiting to be interviewed.I don't wear suit jackets to interviews because it's often to hot for it but I do take one with me and decide when I get there.
- Jul 4, '12 by VICEDRNQuote from leenakSad to say that this is my point exactly. If the manager has a lot of baggage that causes her to judge everyone she or he meets negatively based off of previously bad experiences, then I want another manager.And in terms of interviews, I'm guessing interviewers have seen similar things where someone is waiting for an interview, doing whatever on their phone but they don't put the phone away as soon as they are called. That is a bad sign and would definitely count again someone. If you keep seeing something like that, then you will of course have a knee-jerk reaction if you see someone on their phone while waiting.
The job is negative enough and the manager is the unit leader. I want someone upbeat, positive and who wants to hear someone out before they leap over tall buildings to silly conclusions.