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Question: How are Schools getting away with pumping out so many new graduates for no jobs? Thoughts: My first thought on this is that there is a lack of education or better yet lack of... Read More

  1. Visit  netglow profile page
    #52 1
    Here is some information on Illinois actually projectile vomiting new nurses. Can you believe how many Illinois puts out? Never could be enough positions for new grads.

    http://nursing.illinois.gov/PDF/IlApNursingEdProgPassRates01292010.pdf

    So, just for RNs roughly @5,000 new grad licensed RNs every year since 2007 or so (when new grad nurse hiring tanked, last half of '07). Boy does that add up. Note the continual addition of new nursing programs even so...

    adding this too.

    https://www.ncsbn.org/NCLEX_Stats_2012.pdf
    Last edit by netglow on Jan 9, '13
  2. Visit  KelRN215 profile page
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    Quote from Zenally
    Question: How are Schools getting away with pumping out so many new graduates for no jobs?

    Thoughts: My first thought on this is that there is a lack of education or better yet lack of information discovered by students prior to taking the plunge. Then couple this with all of the public announcements in the media about a "Nursing Shortage"...Next thing you know, everybody wants to get into nursing.

    I think that if someone wants to learn the field of nursing, then they should by all means DO IT! Nothing should stop your dreams. What I don't agree with is all of the media exaggeration in regards to a nursing shortage. Dont get me wrong. In locations where there is a nursing shortage it should be stated and addressed. Nursing schools should not be taking advantage of students be perpetuating the lie. Some of the costs to go to accelerated BSN programs is ridiculous...you might as well go to med school at those prices! I think that there should be a law that says that the schools will only be allowed a certain number of students based on the guarantee of a certain amount of new graduate jobs per year for the areas. Also, schools and hospitals should be required to provide residency type jobs after graduation at lower wages. Another option could be for the nursing schools to create an entrepreneurial track for students to have more options.

    Nurses are not Doctors, but if doctors had to face this challenge after graduation, do you think that they would risk wasting their money on a slim chance that they would get a job?


    -Zenally
    They are getting away with it because a school's purpose is not to secure jobs for its graduates. Schools educate students with no guarantee that the education will land them a job. The vast majority of people who graduate with Bachelor's degrees in things like Music, Psychology and Philosophy don't get jobs in their field... does that mean we should ban all Liberal Arts degrees? Of course not and the idea is absurd. The purpose of going to school is to get an education.
  3. Visit  sweetnurse786 profile page
    #54 2
    First of all, I do think that schools are cashing on the idea of nursing shortage and in fact there isnt any at this time. Second, as a society we are responsible for allowing the schools to keep increasing their costs of education. The school I went to for BSN is all for profit and I had no idea that they actually graduate about 250-300 students per semester, yes, that many students a semester. They know people are desperate and they will shell out $100k per student. But to be honest, I wanted to become a nurse 6-7 yrs back but could not get into a school and then I was laid off from work and went back into the field of nursing and thank God I got into an accelerated program. I was ok paying the money but didnt realize how stupid the program was..they barely taught us skills ( I did all my homework before going to the school except for finding out how much clinical hours they gave us cause i assumed that every school MUST give x amount of hours per student).

    Now being in $150k (loans from before and loans from the nursing degree) debt, I am having a hard time getting a job. Unfortunately, i am a new graduate with a lot of finance/accounting experience, with volunteer experience, have lots and lots of certifications under my belt (I had to shell out a ton of money for that) and I am open to relocating. Now keep in mind, getting a license in different states cost about $300-$400 (license fee, license verification, electronic finger printing, taking extra courses) and then you have to maintain that license even if you decide not to use it...I mean come on, everyone wants to cash on this b.s that there is a shortage of nurses..

    Schools want to make money, the government agencies want to make money, certifications/license organizations want to make money...there is absolutely no cap for this. I do believe that the schools need to take a limited amount of students in their programs and I do believe that they need to have a cap of how much they can charge. BTW I must point out that I had a ton of people in my program that were there for wrong reasons (financial stability, security, ok understandable) but those people will not last long in the profession because you do need to be compassionate. And these students are picky about their first jobs..stuck on the idea of working in the hospital their first year which shouldnt matter cause right now, you need experience, anywhere you can get.

    I, myself, am open to jobs at LTCs, Home health, community nursing, hospitals, anything, I am open and I want experience. Heck I will work for whatever pay..i just want a job and experience so I can pay my loans. And yes I do believe schools are responsible as well as us students/nurses.
  4. Visit  bellamia1015 profile page
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    Quote from akanini
    I live in NY city where it's becoming hard for Asociates nurses to find a hospital job. I have a Bachelors in another field, which doesn't matter for the hospitals. Now with that being said, every new grad, I'm sure, was offered a job, even if its not their dream job. I made $26 as an LPN and my first RN job was offered $30 an hour. BSN wasn't required. I refused the job. While I may be hungry, I'm NOT starving. The point I'm trying to make is, not everyone's first job might be ideal. I was an LPN for four years before becoming an RN and I chose to be picky. I'm sorry. I know my stuff and others have told me I'm a good nurse. I agree with the previous posters that the schools cannot be blamed. Their job is to educate, not dish out jobs. We have to research and make the right choices, NOT rely on a school to find us jobs.
    Hi I was curious to know why did you turn down the RN job? Was it something specific about the job you did not like? Or is the salary for new RNs higher in New York? Thanks
  5. Visit  bellamia1015 profile page
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  6. Visit  Beautiful Mind RN profile page
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    Quote from Esme12
    Simple answer.....greed. The next financial crisis is when the unemployed nurses that took out thousands of dollars in loans for the for profit schools and $50,00 to $70,000 dollar associate degrees....can't pay their loans.
    Interesting point of view. I am interested as to why you think this might happen. Any articles you read as to why you think this or was this just your own opinion from experience? (No sarcasm attached, I am truly interested).

    As for me, I really don't think it will...True, health care might become more evolved because of the reform and that means more restrictions for nurses, not to mention, there will always be a high competition for new grads to get a new job, but I still think we are able to get a job if we put effort into it and look in the right areas. Plus, have the ability to pay off our loans...

    Like many have said, the first job might not be the most ideal, but it will certainly be something!
  7. Visit  dirtyhippiegirl profile page
    #58 2
    Meh. When my sister didn't get into the x-ray tech school that she applied to, her college career counselor convinced her that she would be able to get a job as a museum curator with a Bachelor's in History. She'll be lucky if she gets a job at a gas station with that degree, but don't tell her that.

    Yes, the people who run and work for colleges and universities have a vested interest in enrolling students for potentially useless degrees - including students like my sister who would better benefit from a more practical education.

    It's not just nursing.

    And, honestly, like someone mentioned earlier -- I feel worse for the people who graduate with law school-sized debt and can't find a job.
  8. Visit  marcos9999 profile page
    #59 2
    One has to remember that before 2008 there was a nursing shortage and a few months later this shortage has disappeared Where did the shortage go? Did the patients went away? To a point yes because of the recession/depression many lost their jobs and health insurance. But that's not the real reason. The real reason we have a glut of nurses right now is because about 20% of inactive nurses showed up to work and literally filled up the void in a instant There is only one thing that keep these nurses working, the lack of jobs elsewhere in our economy. If jobs became available in all areas of our economy we are in for the biggest exodus of nurses ever seen. The 20% could leave faster then they came in. About to retire nurses will retire in large chunks and many other will leave because of the excruciating abusing workplace which nursing has become lately. Hospital chains like Sutter Health are trying to demoralize and take all the benefits from nurses pitting worker against worker and producing a miserable place to work and there are countless others. The only reason nurses don't leave is because they are stuck. If big hospitals continue not to hire nurses it will eventually make it to main stream media that nursing as a profession is not desirable and school enrollment will go down, new grads after looking for 4 years will leave nursing...it's going to be fun to watch just try not to get sick a few years from now...
  9. Visit  elprup profile page
    #60 2
    I agree with CrunchRN, Until we stand together, nothing will change......sigh again


    ***tell your story to CNN! Let's overwhelm them with the truth***

    New Grad Nurses struggling to find jobs - CNN Reporter wants to hear from you
    Last edit by elprup on Jan 10, '13 : Reason: Edit
  10. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
    #61 2
    Quote from sweetnurse786
    Now being in $150k (loans from before and loans from the nursing degree) debt, I am having a hard time getting a job. Unfortunately, i am a new graduate with a lot of finance/accounting experience, with volunteer experience, have lots and lots of certifications under my belt (I had to shell out a ton of money for that) and I am open to relocating. Now keep in mind, getting a license in different states cost about $300-$400 (license fee, license verification, electronic finger printing, taking extra courses) and then you have to maintain that license even if you decide not to use it...I mean come on, everyone wants to cash on this b.s that there is a shortage of nurses..
    *** I am sure you will find a job soon. You are EXACTLY what hospitals are looking for. Hospitals want BSNs now cause they are deep in debt and seen as less likely than debt free ADNs to vote with their feet when faced with poor working conditions.
  11. Visit  malamud69 profile page
    #62 0
    lost in translation
  12. Visit  bellamia1015 profile page
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    Quote from dirtyhippiegirl
    Meh. When my sister didn't get into the x-ray tech school that she applied to, her college career counselor convinced her that she would be able to get a job as a museum curator with a Bachelor's in History. She'll be lucky if she gets a job at a gas station with that degree, but don't tell her that.

    Yes, the people who run and work for colleges and universities have a vested interest in enrolling students for potentially useless degrees - including students like my sister who would better benefit from a more practical education.

    It's not just nursing.

    And, honestly, like someone mentioned earlier -- I feel worse for the people who graduate with law school-sized debt and can't find a job.
    Oh wow that was so wrong for the school to do that to your sister. And I know people with over 100K in private loans and make less than $14 a hour or are just not even employed.
  13. Visit  AutumnDraidean profile page
    #64 1
    It might not be a school's obligation to find you a job, but it is the responsibility of the advisers not to sell a bill of goods to prospective students. It is the responsibility of the agencies that accredit schools to slow things down when the job market is slow. I hear librarianship has crashed as a career choice, yet at the same time my small rural school couldn't find a full time school librarian for what they could afford to pay. (They hired a shared librarian with another district)

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