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A course where no one ever gets an A



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No. 10
from iteachob
Old May 28, 2009, 12:42 PM

Default Re: A course where no one ever gets an A
Originally Posted by nurse educate View Post
I assume this is a not a school where there is team teaching? What is the schools policy on reviewing exams, going over item analyses, etc? Do you use a test bank? Is there any peer reviewing going on? Where I teach, we are all in each other business it seems, which I don't think is such a terrible thing. It's a small school, and when students complain, or we see that too many people are not doing well, we scrutinize the situation.

I do find it a bit odd, I must say. While I do agree that the majoruty of students should not be getting As in classes, there does need to be a distribution of grades. My students hate my reply when they aske me how they did on an exam (before grades are posted): they say, in unison "It was a nice curve"
This particular course is team taught. One of the instructors (the team changed in Spring 09) is brand new to teaching, the other has about 1 1/2 years of didactic under her belt. Our policy is to do an in-class review of exams with students (I'm not sure that is what you mean), giving rationales, etc. We do have a Scantron which is capable of giving a detailed item analysis. It is my opinion that the members of this team don't entirely understand the meaning of the KR20, point bi-serials, p-value, etc. I'm not sure how my help would be received....I recently passed the CNE (Sept 08, only one on our faculty) and I don't want to be seen as a "know it all".

Test banks are used by, I'd say, most faculty. I use them myself, but they are pretty heavily edited, because, frankly, most straight-up test banks are awful. I have my own personal test bank of questions (tried & true.....good analysis) that I have collected over the years. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this team used exactly the same tests handed down to them from the previous team. I do not team teach (everyone avoids OB, like the plague).

Peer review is something I really would like to see used where I work. We've had a recent faculty turnover of about 25%, and I think this could be very productive. The only other faculty member who has ever darkened the door of my classroom is our division chair! Then again, I've not observed other faculty teaching myself, but would welcome the opportunity to be reviewed (and to review).

A's are definitely NOT easy to come by in our program, but it just seems that semester after semester, this course has no A's at all; just...strange.
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No. 11
from BabyLady
Old May 28, 2009, 01:05 PM

Default Re: A course where no one ever gets an A
As a student, that just graduated from nursing school....this is where faculty needs to look at past course evaluations and student comments for guidance.

Students will always tell you where they think faculty could improve...with my school, the grades, overall, were very poor. The only A's were from experienced LPN's...you can't exactly compare that to a student with no previous medical training.

The difference, that I saw...was that the faculty went TOO MUCH in depth as to what such and such disorder was...rather than to tell us as nurses, how to fix it.

Yes, knowing the disease process is important, but only to a point...there is a point where the physician takes over and a nurse's expectation of knowledge ends...but new nurses need to know what their role is...and as a student, I really felt like I taught myself this.

However, programs that want to blame everything on the students and cast evaluations to the wayside as something to do at the end of the year and never bother to read them....are doing the program and the students, a grave disservice.

Most students that I know give a detailed, honest evaluation....there are always a few that don't want to work hard and are disgruntled...but in order to truly improve the program...ego's need to be checked at the front door.
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