Entry into Practice: Direct Entry MSN Programs - page 10

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Direct entry masters in nursing programs offer a rapid entrance into both the profession of nursing and advanced nursing practice. These unique programs are also known as entry-level or alternate entry nursing masters programs.... Read More


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    Quote from MaritesaRN
    Hi Vicky ! I never understood the PA program. I heard this is a 4 year program........but is this program clinically involved during the training? I know that they sort of equate Physicians assistant (PA) to nurse practitioner (NP) in some places , but nurse practitioner are way much educated ( have to have Masters now , before you can go NP training for 9 months?) What is the difference of the curriculum between these two? What are the limitations in practice of the NP? Not to put down the PA , I jsut need to understand as to why they equate their functions to a nurse practitioner?
    This might be helpful to your inquiry, MaritesaRN:

    What is the difference between a PA, NP, and RN?

    Also
    http://medicaleconomics.modernmedici....jsp?id=121168
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    Quote from MaritesaRN

    Hi Vicky , I was trying to save those links that you gave us before....but I can not locate it anymore.
    Maybe you can nudge me to a direction....I am 63, UR , CM and medical review for Medicare and private insurance, was also a staff ,and at times charge nurse for a lock up psych unit. I would like to be taking some certification towards gerontology. My change of direction is toward geriatrics , preferably in a LTC with rehab ( this way I can re learn and apply some clinical nursing skills again). I was told to get AANAC, maybe some MDS certification ? Long time ago I started taking required undergraduates subjects to get into Domiguez Hills Masters program. I stopped because I was not clear w/ my purpose for the Masters......I really did not have a solid reason why I was taking it, except to compete w/ other VA nurses that carried all sorts of Masters and even PHD's---- I do not want to be an administrator , ( unless I own the place ) . I would like skilss that I could take to another state, since I plan to move my family out of california to Washington State or Oregon ( things are greener and hopefully not as crowded and expensive as California is getting to be.
    By the way I am a healthy 63, so my age should not be the reason of not finding work. I like to go to Gerontology , geriatrics to be specific. I do like old people, but I also want to be good professionally at what I do ...so can I go to a geriatrics specialist study? I had RN training in an excellent community college , but I finished Bachelor of Journalism in another country, but to study here, I have to have an international eval company looked at my transcripts. You know the rule for an out of the country degrees are to minus 30 units, then they go through your courses for the US equivalents. After - 30 units, they granted me with an equivalent of Bacheor of Science, so I am good. I stopped taking courses because the place that I worked for before (Veterans Administration , Los Angeles) did not give me any education reimbursement ( as part of the benefits) . It seems like everytime I inquire for the $2,000.00/ year education reimbursement --- they are already "out of funds". Anyhow , not to get distracted , I stopped because Phoenix U. It was costing me a lot of money from student loan --------------I still have a balance of $4,600.00 plus student loan approximately , from the 3 subjects I took via this school ! Are there any other avenues to get educated without going broke for the rest of your life? I know that you can work for a government office for 2 years , and they will forgive your loan, but then getting one, ( I worked in a federal office) , and this was not accounted for ??????? something was not right , but now I am thinking if those loans should be forgiven considering I worked in the VA ???
    I am willing to hear your wisdome and advice on this......no you can make it public so others may get something from it too.
    MaritesaRN, have you talked with a guidance counselor at your local university or community college? This would be the best way to get career advice tailored specifically to your unique life circumstances. The appointment is free and the counselor would know what scholarships, grants, loans, etc., are available in your area and perhaps in other areas of the country. Best wishes to you
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    Well, It sounds like you know want a inexpensive and Quickest way to get your MSN and have a Certification in Geriatrics. This would be a State University program. Check for online RN to MSN. Also any College you go to if you want a Degree you are going to be paying for the least 30 to 72 credits of their courses and that is at any level AS,BSN,MSN or PHD. It Big Business !
    Did you ever hear of WGU? It Online they except Life experiances and I bet alot of those courses you took.
    If you work at the VA you have to be accept in a College Before June 2009 or 2010 etc,.. then apply for the Tuition Reimburse Forms by the June Date, Then when you see the emails about it in the Fall and Winter and Spring read it aga
    in, you will see that
    It really is for the Nurses except in that June Form so that the money is available as the Progress though thier Degree Programs, Also Check to see if the money was divide up even for the BSN and MSN Degrees Nurses Reimbursements if they truely Ran out of the Funds, They were not Following a Magnet Ideal way of sharing the wisdom and wealth of the $ resources, Thats what gives Magnet a bad name when this Happens and all the money goes to the Top Degrees like MSN and PHD in Nursing and not the RN to BSN or RN to MSN Programs. I would also look at ANA for Scholarship Money in your local community. Also what List were you referring about to Vicki? I might still have them for you.
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    Quote from >30yrsRN
    Well, It sounds like you know want a inexpensive and Quickest way to get your MSN and have a Certification in Geriatrics. This would be a State University program. Check for online RN to MSN. Also any College you go to if you want a Degree you are going to be paying for the least 30 to 72 credits of their courses and that is at any level AS,BSN,MSN or PHD. It Big Business !
    Did you ever hear of WGU? It Online they except Life experiances and I bet alot of those courses you took.
    If you work at the VA you have to be accept in a College Before June 2009 or 2010 etc,.. then apply for the Tuition Reimburse Forms by the June Date, Then when you see the emails about it in the Fall and Winter and Spring read it aga
    in, you will see that
    It really is for the Nurses except in that June Form so that the money is available as the Progress though thier Degree Programs, Also Check to see if the money was divide up even for the BSN and MSN Degrees Nurses Reimbursements if they truely Ran out of the Funds, They were not Following a Magnet Ideal way of sharing the wisdom and wealth of the $ resources, Thats what gives Magnet a bad name when this Happens and all the money goes to the Top Degrees like MSN and PHD in Nursing and not the RN to BSN or RN to MSN Programs. I would also look at ANA for Scholarship Money in your local community. Also what List were you referring about to Vicki? I might still have them for you.

    Hi , thank you so much for the reply. Vicky gave me some links and did go to see it, and it is good to see other options to be able to make a better decision. One more question ...I was in preparation by taking more undergraduates subjects in Domiguez Hills (State Univeristy) .....what happens if I ahve to move to another state before I graduate.........am I going to lose credits if I pick it up in another state university? I do not want to get committed until I know the hurdles , such as transferable credits?
    I was looking also in Kaplan , and they have a certified geriatric case manager certification ( approx $4,500.00 including books --- this covers 7 subjects, and it looks good for a focus study --------but I will not be able to use the credits from this to apply to a university credits.
    I will look into the ANA and my daughter will show me how to find grant money ( she is in college finishing her last year up to the fall of 2010.). Ladies and gentlemen, it makes this website really , truly a networking and a camaraderie for nurses.
    Sure our opinion do not always parallel w/ each other, but then this is the good to be able to see different opinions, as long as we adhere to civility . :heartbeat
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    Quote from VickyRN
    MaritesaRN, have you talked with a guidance counselor at your local university or community college? This would be the best way to get career advice tailored specifically to your unique life circumstances. The appointment is free and the counselor would know what scholarships, grants, loans, etc., are available in your area and perhaps in other areas of the country. Best wishes to you

    Vicky, I did have one , when I was took some undergraduates subjects before .....I guess back to track 1 .
    Thank you much for the advice and nudging me where I should go !
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    Is Domiguez Hills online still?
    I would think if you are staying in the Same Regional Accreditation of Colleges
    They will except all your Credits those other courses
    Best Of Luck to you.
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    Quote from >30yrsRN
    Is Domiguez Hills online still?
    I would think if you are staying in the Same Regional Accreditation of Colleges
    They will except all your Credits those other courses
    Best Of Luck to you.

    When I was in school w/ Dominguez , on line was pretty new. the classes were in my facility where I worked at that time and it made it really easy. I will have to call them again and start the process all over again and see .
    thank you so much all for your inputs !
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    Quote from Moogie
    I have a question for the DEMSN students here: do you find that your programs are good at student retention? Do you feel that the faculty is mostly supportive? The reason I ask is because on AN, there are often so many horror stories about students, usually in entry-level programs, who fail out of their programs by half a percentage point, sometimes in their very last semester, or get dropped because of minor transgressions like wearing the "wrong" shoes to clinical or being five minutes late to clinical when policy stated that they had a ten-minute window.
    I know this is a little old now, but wanted to chime in - We started with 49, and two quit for personal reasons within the first few months (one for a pregnancy, one because she just realized it wasn't what she wanted to do). So we have a high retention rate. I have always felt that I was treated as a peer, and as an intelligent person. The faculty had high expectations of the students, but not over petty issues like shoes.
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    [color=#333333]!!! the computer erased my post!! well, basically, i remembered this topic thread from a month ago, found the info i'd been looking for, and came back with it. there's a de psych np program i've been very interested in. however, i've heard so often that np grads without prior rn experience can have a lot of trouble finding jobs. has anyone done this type of program and taken a break halfway through to work as an rn for a period of time after passing the nursing exams? it just seems like this would make so much more sense. anyway, here's the program description-- it's at oregon state health university:
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    [color=#772222]heat corn and milk, gradually stir in egg. add 1 cup crumbs, onion, pimiento and seasonings. mix well. pour into greased 8 1/2" x 1 1/2" round pan. melt butter and pour over 1/2 cup crumbs. sprinkle the buttered crumbs over corn. bake in moderate oven, 350 degrees for 20 minutes.
    [color=#365f91]accelerated bacc to master's

    [color=#225b95]nurse midwifery and psychiatric mental health nurse practitioner
    [color=#333333]the accelerated bachelor of science to masters program is designed to allow those students who have or will have an accredited bachelor's degree in a major other than nursing prior to matriculation to take the nursing courses required to get a b.s. with a major in nursing and then continue into the master level courses that are required to achieve a psychiatric mental health nurse practitioner or certified nurse midwifery ms/mn degree.

    students on this track are concurrently accepted to the abs program and either the nurse midwifery or psychiatric mental health nurse practitioner program, and will start the master's coursework after completing the required courses necessary to achieve the b.s. degree and passing the nursing licensure exam. this 3 year program begins with a five quarter, full-time course of study in the accelerated undergraduate program, beginning summer term.

    at the completion of the bachelor of science nursing curriculum, the b.s. degree is awarded and graduates are eligible for professional registered nurse licensing examinations. the graduate program coursework begins in the fall term, following successful completion of the b.s. degree and nursing licensure exam (nclex). the school of nursing also offers an accelerated bachelorís program.


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    My program at UMASS-Worcester (http://www.umassmed.edu/gsn/index.aspx) is a 3 year program direct entry non-RN to NP program. We take the NCLEX during the fall of our second year. We are expected to work 1,000 hours as an RN (for which we get paid) during our 2nd and 3rd years while we are taking our masters/NP courses. Right now, many of the second year students are having trouble finding their RN jobs, but graduates are not having trouble finding NP jobs. Many are getting offers before they graduate. Unfortunately I do not have any stats for you. They are still accepting applications for next fall.


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