Nurse Educator without nursing experience.. (?) - page 3

If I finished my BSN, and went straight to doing an MSN Educator program without any clinical/work experience, once I finish my MSN Ed, would I ever be hired as a teacher in community colleges or... Read More

  1. Visit  Altra} profile page
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    OP, if what you are after is an academic career, why not pursue a degree in a "pure" science such as biology or chemistry and teach that?

    Any *applied* science, such as nursing, inherently requires an understanding of the application ... something you cannot grasp without having worked in the field.
    loriangel14, NutmeggeRN, RN In FL, and 1 other like this.
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  3. Visit  sherdk} profile page
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    Experience is a must-- not fair to students even if you are very BOOK smart----knowing how and actually doing are not always the same so to be fair to yourself and your students-- try to get in some clinical experience as you work towards your Masters.
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  4. Visit  Stephalump} profile page
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    This seems like something an advisor should've talked about when you decided to enter the program. I can't imagine it would be easy to teach without experience and I can't imagine I'd be thrilled to find out I had a nursing instructor who'd never actually been in the field. But I'm sure it's possible.
    I honestly can't believe there are schools that don't require ANY experience. I know of some masters programs that may not require it when you apply, but you have to work for at least a year during the program.
    Would it be possible to get a part-time job while you're in school?
  5. Visit  RN In FL} profile page
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    All these schools nowadays care about are 4.8 gpa's and 100% on TEA's test. ANY of them....from BSN programs to MSN programs
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  6. Visit  bsnwnab} profile page
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    Quote from merlee
    You need 'street cred' if you expect your students to respect you. Even if you are only lecturing.

    Put in a foley? Male? Female? Obese person? How about an elderly woman on her side in the bed?!! And what about a suprapubic?? Do you even know what I am talking about??? I've done all of these and would feel comfortable instructing on any of them. If you haven't realized that if you are right-handed you should be standing with your left shoulder toward the head of the bed then you shouldn't be teaching.

    Why would you even WANT to teach about something you have never done???
    I've done all that you mentioned. I know everything u're talking about. I have a different backround that most nurses. I have inserted iv on a baby when the others couldn't get it right and poked the baby 3 times before i stepped in., have gotten arterial blood for ABGs, monitored cvp in the icu, etc. And i have taught all that you're talking about.

    I've been misunderstood, it's not that i don't like being on the floor, i love hands on stuff on the floor, but since i was small whether i was gonna be an accountant nurse engineer etc i was gonna teach it. Lastly i'm not allowed to work in the USA till i have at least a masters degree, hence i have no choice but to go straight to msn program without work experience.
  7. Visit  MyMystudentRN} profile page
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    please get some experience under your belt before you go and try and teach others skills you did not actually do because believe me you will look real incompetent under students' eyes if you cant even perform a skill you are trying to teach them. I had an instructor who only talked about home health and her love for home health when she started teaching she was excited to teach us what she has learned and dealt with in that line of work however, we weren't in that level yet we were dealing with sub-acute care and she had no idea what she was doing never experienced such thing she wasnt there for a whole clinical day she couldnt handle it. the next day we had another clinical instructor come to find out she quit because it wasnt her cup of tea. so please do yourself a favor and get the experience you dont want to land a job and see yourself quitting because you couldnt handle it. Goodluck with everything
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  8. Visit  RN In FL} profile page
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    Quote from bsnwnab
    I've done all that you mentioned. I know everything u're talking about. I have a different backround that most nurses. I have inserted iv on a baby when the others couldn't get it right and poked the baby 3 times before i stepped in., have gotten arterial blood for ABGs, monitored cvp in the icu, etc. And i have taught all that you're talking about.

    I've been misunderstood, it's not that i don't like being on the floor, i love hands on stuff on the floor, but since i was small whether i was gonna be an accountant nurse engineer etc i was gonna teach it. Lastly i'm not allowed to work in the USA till i have at least a masters degree, hence i have no choice but to go straight to msn program without work experience.
    So exactly what are you saying? You can't work in the states? What country are you in? Why aren't you allowed to work in the US until you have a master's? why are u different? c'mon now....
  9. Visit  AprilSage} profile page
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    There is a local 4-yr university in my city that hired some of their new grads as clinical instructors. I thought that was the craziest thing ever. Needless to say it didn't last very long, thank goodness for the students who pay tuition for a good education. Also, I know of a new nurse who was hired as a Staff Developer Coordinator for a large nursing home. Personally, I feel like it's a bad idea to pursue an education position, especially when there is a lack of experience. It does a great disservice to those who depend on you for their education.
    not.done.yet, emmyers, RN In FL, and 1 other like this.
  10. Visit  Stephalump} profile page
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    RNinFL, it may be true that schools are mostly just concerned with academics, but that especially scares me when it comes to educators. Much like physicians, RT, PAs, and the goes on, NPs and the like coming out of school with little previous experience will just have to learn a good deal on the job. But an educator isn't going to become an excellent health care provider by NOT doing the job! Ever! And Im not sure you can become a good educator if you aren't good at what you're trying to teach. I'm slightly horrified at the prospect.

    Op, what about a master's in public health? Then you could work as an RN and teach later. Or Advance Practice? And you could work and then teach later. Or Education, but work for a while and then teach? There has to be a better option than putting an entire classroom of eager students at a disadvantage from the get-go.
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  11. Visit  RN In FL} profile page
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    Quote from Stephalump
    RNinFL, it may be true that schools are mostly just concerned with academics, but that especially scares me when it comes to educators. Much like physicians, RT, PAs, and the goes on, NPs and the like coming out of school with little previous experience will just have to learn a good deal on the job. But an educator isn't going to become an excellent health care provider by NOT doing the job! Ever! And Im not sure you can become a good educator if you aren't good at what you're trying to teach. I'm slightly horrified at the prospect.

    Op, what about a master's in public health? Then you could work as an RN and teach later. Or Advance Practice? And you could work and then teach later. Or Education, but work for a while and then teach? There has to be a better option than putting an entire classroom of eager students at a disadvantage from the get-go.
    I guess for me, its the "Nurse" part of it, when it hasn't been earned, so to speak. For me, that has to be earned, not just sitting and passing the NCLEX, BOOM, you are "a nurse". When people hear you are a nurse first thing come to mind is the hard worked hours at getting there, and you knowing more than the doctor, due to much clinical experience....just saying!

    signed

    old skool RN
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    Quote from RN In FL

    So exactly what are you saying? You can't work in the states? What country are you in? Why aren't you allowed to work in the US until you have a master's? why are u different? c'mon now....
    cant work in the US yet; you must not be aware of living in the US with different visas and some of the limittions that comes with it.. I'm different because i have a higher degree done outta the country. "C'mon now..." ?? Just trust me, i know stuff. Hence I'd like to teach them. But still, I know community college teachers should have clinical experience even if it was only teaching lectures.
  13. Visit  loriangel14} profile page
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    You may think you "know stuff".All new grads do.Until you have worked hundreds of hours in the trenches as a nurse you don't "know stuff" needed to teach.Right now you don't know what you don't know.
    nurseladybug12, emmyers, elkpark, and 1 other like this.
  14. Visit  bsnwnab} profile page
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    Ok. Thanks everyone for all the comments and suggestions.


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