No I wouldn't recommend nursing - page 7

It surprises me how many students are going into nursing. I had my BSN since 1992 and have worked in the hospitals since then. Nursing is back-breaking labor with the reoccurring role of cleaning... Read More

  1. by   WDWpixieRN
    My neighbor's 16-year old just spent the better part of 2 months in and out of hospitals due to a staph infection....guess what she became inspired to pursue as a career?!?!?!

    I gave her some links to websites that offered more information on nursing as a career, but I hope she doesn't find this thread!! As a "more mature" individual who'll be starting school in the fall, I'm terrified after reading some of these posts that I'm making a horrible mistake. For a very young person, I can't imagine how quickly this could change a mind!!

    And timster makes a very valid observation:
    the more you discourage hopeful nursing students from becoming nurses, the more you're contributing to crappy work conditions, understaffing where there's no law against it, and patients not getting the care and attention they need.
    Last edit by WDWpixieRN on Apr 15, '07
  2. by   tcdtx
    There are many careers you can have with a nursing degree. If you are not one to clean up poop and vomit, you might be happier at a desk at a nurse call center, or something. If you think about it, there are too many choices in nursing for anyone to be unhappy.
  3. by   Sheri257
    Quote from timster1984
    After reading all these posts I can't help but agree with something my EMT friend Paul said, since he's planning to go into nursing himself. I mentioned all the negative stuff I've heard and showed him this thread, and his response was that the largest complaints about nursing usually come from people who don't want to work and don't give a damn about their patients, healing, or any aspect of medicine. And after reading most of these posts, I can agree with him. Sure, you need to protect your right to fair work conditions and not let your employer, patients, etc. trample over you or treat you poorly, but there's a difference between keeping people from trampling on you and trampling on the entire profession of what you do.

    I don't know how it is outside California, but in California there's a patient ratio law...my friend said it was 5, I've read other people say it was 4, but either way it sounds like in California a nurse can't be in charge of more then 4-5 patients so the horrible understaffing conditions that have been mentioned here don't exist atleast in California. I would be very surprised if most states don't have the same thing. Regardless though, the more you discourage hopeful nursing students from becoming nurses, the more you're /contributing/ to crappy work conditions, understaffing where there's no law against it, and patients not getting the care and attention they need.
    I too am a nursing student, and I used to say similar things ... until I started working as an extern. Quite frankly, I was stupid. :smackingf

    I will never, ever accuse any RN of not wanting to work and not giving a damn about their patients because I now understand how tough their job is. Just about everything that has been said on this thread is true.

    And if you think the California ratio law is a panacea, you're wrong. For one, thing, they can give you ten patients, not five, if they assign you an LVN. And if that LVN isn't ... shall we say ... helpful ... that's makes the job incredibly tough, especially since you're not just responsible for ten patients, but everything the LVN does as well.

    Even in facilities which give you only five patients ... I'd really like to see how you or any student/new grad would handle five total care high acuity patients with multiple diseases, and multiple things going on like TPN, blood tranfusions, etc. And if you are not favored by management, they will dump a bunch of high acuity patients on you. Just one high acuity patient can take up the entire day ... five can you make downright miserable, especially if you're a new grad that doesn't know what you are doing. Just because California has a ratio law doesn't mean management can't make the job miserable.

    When you're on your feet all day long, working your butt off trying to keep up, taking abuse from patients, their families, doctors and management, I'd really like to see how you would feel then. I wonder if you would come to realize, like I did, that there is a reason for the nursing shortage, and there is a reason why so many RN's have left the bedside.

    Veteran RN's can run circles around us any day of the week. They know a hellava lot more than we do... and you're going to need their help when you do work on the job. They deserve our respect, not lectures. And other states do not have ratio laws .... so don't presume that others don't have legitimate complaints here.

    RN's are trying to warn students about what they're getting into before they go through the trouble of school. Read the first year of nursing section of this board, and see how much trouble new grads are experiencing. See how many of them are questioning whether nursing school was a mistake. Then, maybe you won't be so quick to judge.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Dec 31, '05
  4. by   dlhall
    Quote from lizz
    I too am a nursing student, and I used to say similar things ... until I started working as an extern. Quite frankly, I was stupid. :smackingf

    I will never, ever accuse any RN of not wanting to work and not giving a damn about their patients because I now know how tough their job is. Just about everything that has been said on this thread is true.

    And if you think the California ratio law is a panacea, you're wrong. For one, thing, they can give you ten patients, not five, if they assign you an LVN. And if that LVN isn't ... shall we say ... helpful ... that's makes the job incredibly tough, especially since you're not just responsible for ten patients, but everything the LVN does as well.

    Even in facilities which give you only five patients ... I'd really like to see how you or any student/new grad would handle five totoal care high acuity patients with multiple diseases, and multiple things going on like TPN, blood tranfusions, etc. And if you are not favored by management, they will dump a bunch of high acuity patients on you. Just because California has a ratio law doesn't mean management can't make the job miserable.

    When you're on your feet all day long, working your butt off trying to keep up, taking abuse from patients, their families, doctors and management, I'd really like to see how you would feel then. I wonder if you would come to realize, like I did, that there is a reason for the nursing shortage, and there is a reason why so many RN's have left the bedside.

    Veteran RN's can run circles around us any day of the week. They know a hellava lot more than we do... and you're going to need their help when you do work on the job. They deserve our respect, not lectures. And other states do not have ratio laws .... so don't presume that others don't have legitimate complaints.

    RN's are trying to warn students about what they're getting into before they go through the trouble of school. Read the first year of nursing section of this board, and see how much trouble new grads are experiencing. See how many of them are questioning whether nursing school was a mistake. Then, maybe you won't be so quick to judge.

    I hear so many complaints about nursing, but I dont hear too many solutions. My wife is a RN and she tells me that the problems you face are dealing with lazy nurses, lazy nurse directors, and lazy directors. You wonder why there is such a nursing shortage. This problem needs to be taken all the way to congress, because a lot of patients are being affected by these problems.
    God bless
  5. by   Sheri257
    Quote from dlhall
    I hear so many complaints about nursing, but I dont hear too many solutions. My wife is a RN and she tells me that the problems you face are dealing with lazy nurses, lazy nurse directors, and lazy directors. You wonder why there is such a nursing shortage. This problem needs to be taken all the way to congress, because a lot of patients are being affected by these problems.
    God bless
    I've made statements on this BB in the past about "lazy" RN's that I have worked with. As it turned out, I was wrong and I was too quick to judge. I wasn't doing that person's job so ... how would I know that they had a crisis in another room, or that the reason they didn't give the pain med on time was the MD refused to renew the order. RN's that I initially thought were "lazy" turned out to be more knowledge and helpful than I ever thought they would be.

    So ... unless I'm following that person around every minute of every day which, I can't because I have my own job to do, I try not to judge whether or not people are "lazy" anymore because, the fact is, I really don't know.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Dec 31, '05
  6. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    I hear so many complaints about nursing, but I dont hear too many solutions.
    Aside from Congress, what OTHER solutions do you have to offer?
  7. by   dlhall
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    Aside from Congress, what OTHER solutions do you have to offer?
    1.The president
    2. National Nurses association
    3. Director of the hospital
  8. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    And what specifically should they do?
  9. by   dlhall
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    And what specifically should they do?
    A lot of things, for one the pay for nurses needs to be increased, and that goes for Nursing school instuctors, and hopefully this can attract more nurses, and reduce the nursing shortage. Right now you have a lot of qaulified students being turned away from nursing school because if kack of seats, because of the lack of teachers. Work with hospitals to attract quality nursing directors.
  10. by   medsirgrn
    Quote from manuelvillanueva
    It surprises me how many students are going into nursing. I had my BSN since 1992 and have worked in the hospitals since then. Nursing is back-breaking labor with the reoccurring role of cleaning poop. There is no way my back can last another 20 years until retirement. Pick something else to go into.

    Manuel
    Yes nursing is not for everyone but for the ones that nursing choose, must be willing to be a caring individual to the patients irregardless of how hard it may be.Your experience is unique to you and I am sure individuals out there can tell you that nursing is the most rewarding career for them.Every institution is different and I am sure there are institutions out there that gives as much support has they can to nurses.I am sure there are positive experiences that you can remember over the past 13 years that you can share with us.I don't think it can be all bad. Yes cleaning poop is not the most pleasant thing but that is why we are nurses.We provide total patient care to individuals who are at their most vulnerable stage of their life .Nursing offfers you the opportunity to choose other fields which will better suit you, not too many profession has that flexibility.If you are an insurance salesman and you do not like your job you may have to quit and find another job.In nursing you can chose another area in which to work.
  11. by   juber22
    The price one pays for pursuing any profession or calling is an intimate knowledge of its ugly side.
    - James Baldwin
  12. by   Nurse Ratched
    Quote from juber22
    The price one pays for pursuing any profession or calling is an intimate knowledge of its ugly side.
    - James Baldwin
    Great quote!

    If you can love it, warts and all....
  13. by   NaomieRN
    In every career there is going to be some bad days and good days. I think many people go for nursing for the wrong reasons. If you love helping others, there should be no reason to complain. You know what the job was like before you went to school. It is no brainer if you working at a hospital, you are expected to work long hours on your feet and lift patients if possible. Appreciate the field of nursing and the reward of blessing someone.

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