No I wouldn't recommend nursing - page 22

It surprises me how many students are going into nursing. I had my BSN since 1992 and have worked in the hospitals since then. Nursing is back-breaking labor with the reoccurring role of cleaning... Read More

  1. by   jlcole45
    I didn't say that having a positive attitude = acceptance of problems.

    I also didn't say that one shouldn't speak up. What I said was that you can't just talk and not act and expect anything to improve.

    Staying in a job you hate, complaining, but doing nothing else promotes stasis, mediocrity, and misery for your coworkers.
  2. by   Stringer
    Quote from jlcole45
    For those out there who are so negative --- IT'S TIME TO CHANGE YOUR JOB OR YOUR CAREER!

    By being negative all the time, you do nursing, your co workers, and your patients great disservice. And I don't care about your personal reasons for staying in a job you hate - either suck it up or quit and find another career. We all have a choice.

    If you go into work every day hating your job -- don't you think that others can sense that? YES THEY CAN!!!

    I am damn sick of chronically negative co workers. Seek out help, get on antidepressants, do something! I don't need your negativity, this job is hard enough without it

    Not only does it put a negative spin on my day, it also effects patient care.

    We as nurses, have the power to negatively or positively effect our patients out comes. If you walk into a room, don't smile or greet your patient, then handle them roughly, and don't respond as needed - don't your think that could be harmful??? Of course it can.

    Just put yourself in their place for one second and maybe you'll get a clue about how your negativity effects others.
    It's not a matter of a few bad apples that, when thrown away, will save an essentially healthy barrel full. The dimensions of this thread suggest a broader disease for which those who suffer from it--caregivers and their clients--haven't yet found an effective management strategy, let alone a cure.

    Leaving one's position or profession can involve long and complicated decision making processes. Those decisions can affect family and friends in positive, negative, and unintended ways.

    Those who are probably in positions where they actually can effect change find little financial incentive to do so.

    Our clients, whatever our institutional and personal pathologies, need human beings that can somehow negotiate the health care miasma and still deliver, at least some of the time.

    In the real world, we really can't afford to lose the complainers, but you knew that already. Complaining can be a short term emotional fix sometimes. I do worry about the chronic nature of the problems in health care, though. You just happen to pick the complainers as the object of your personal complaint. I suspect you don't feel optimistic about real solutions this side of continued systemic deterioration or you wouldn't need to vent on other nurses. I don't either.

    Contentment in any context, especially in refractory situations, has always been an inside job. The nurses who seem able to maintain consistent and real positive attitudes--I'm not one of them yet--seem to accomplish that through means that are mostly unrelated to job conditions, like personal and spiritual fulfillment.

    I can still be heard recommending nursing on occasion. Such conversations are always bracketed with a lengthy explanation of conditions.
  3. by   ryerye
    every profession will go smoothly if your interest lies in that field... period...

    i have been a computer analyst and programmer for 7 years... it took me that long just to realize that i really don't belong to that area so i took my second course in nursing and voila! here i am...

    my best friend for 17 long years is still on the field of computer programming and is still enjoying the work there... its not merely a question of whether you're good at it or not... skills can be learned and in my case i learned everything i need to know as a computer analyst..

    money is not an issue either.. working in the computer industry can be very rewarding in terms of salary (even here in the phils)... but how come i finally decided to cross the line and entered nursing?? others may call its a calling... well whatever it is i would just have 1 final advise...

    just follow whatever your heart desires... coz every nature of work demands its workers to have a sense of passion and not merely knowledge in the field...
  4. by   Valerie Salva
    Quote from ryerye
    every profession will go smoothly if your interest lies in that field... period...



    ummmm.......not.
  5. by   Stringer
    "Preemies don't eat corn!"

    LMAO!

    Would this talk of variety and choices be a good time to jump in with a discussion of the relationship between multiple marriages and multiple nursing roles? (Just kidding)
  6. by   marie-francoise
    Quote from jlcole45
    What I said was that you can't just talk and not act and expect anything to improve.

    Staying in a job you hate, complaining, but doing nothing else promotes stasis, mediocrity, and misery for your coworkers.
    True - I agree with you on those points. But I do think dissatisfaction is a first step towards change for the good. On the other hand, dealing with disagreeable people all day I'm sure gets old. "Stringer" makes some good points above as well.
    Last edit by marie-francoise on Feb 2, '08
  7. by   BulkyMonster
    Quote from jlcole45
    Sorry everyone for the rant - but I really do get tired of the negative folks!
    All it takes is that one bad apple to spoil the atmosphere of the whole unit. Don't you agree?
    To some extent, you're right. People should try and be pleasant and professional when at work, even if they do hate it. It's part of personal integrity.

    But venting on a forum is totally different. That's what I was trying to say. Sometimes we need a place to really be honest and say what's on our minds.
  8. by   Tweety
    Quote from BulkyMonster
    To some extent, you're right. People should try and be pleasant and professional when at work, even if they do hate it. It's part of personal integrity.

    But venting on a forum is totally different. That's what I was trying to say. Sometimes we need a place to really be honest and say what's on our minds.
    Completely agree here. We all need to vent, and there's a way to do it. Here at Allnurses we should feel free just to vent away, because there are some days that I seriously hate my job. Usually it's that I dislike a certain situation, not my job or nursing, so I'm going to vent. I don't need to hear "get out of nursing if you hate it that bad."

    However, there is a way to be a squeaky wheel and institute change. Saying something like "I'm extremely busy and can't handle the patient load, so I need to refuse this admission, if you'd like I'll talk to whomever in administration about my refusal." Or something professional. It's not easy.

    What I dislike are the employees, and I work with a couple, that gripe loudly and bitterly and disrupt the morale of the entire unit with their frequent complaining and passive aggressive behavior. "I'm not busting my ass around here today, those patients can just wait and I hope they complain, maybe then they'll do something about staffing." Or telling a patient "you're not my only patient...", "Damn, Mr. Smith is on the call light again, the acuity in my assignment today sucks, you charge nurses..........." etc. etc. etc.

    I think there are valid points on both sides.
  9. by   Valerie Salva
    What gets me down at a job more than anything are co-workers who openly put down their fellow-employees to other co-workers.

    I have been working with an RN whom I thought was a pretty good nurse, and I respected her- until recently.

    She was holding court at the nurses' station, surrounded by LPNs and CNAs. She was making fun of and putting down several other staff whom we all work with frequently, but were off that day. She was just hateful and viscious.
    She's done the same thing several times. Whomever is not there, she talks about, and whomever is present is her friend. She talks horribly about the pts, too.

    She's only been a nurse for two years, she can't be that burnt-out yet.

    Its made me lose all respect and trust for her, and it really brings me down to work with her. I've tried to counteract her by saying positive things about the people she puts down but her negative comments seem to permiate everything.

    When I see her name on the schedule with me, my heart sinks.
    Last edit by Valerie Salva on Feb 3, '08 : Reason: spelling
  10. by   marie-francoise
    Quote from Valerie Salva
    What gets me down at a job more than anything are co-workers who openly put down their fellow-employees to other co-workers.

    I have been working with an RN whom I thought was a pretty good nurse, and I respected her- until recently.

    She was holding court at the nurses' station, surrounded by LPNs and CNAs. She was making fun of and putting down several other staff whom we all work with frequently, but were off that day. She was just hateful and viscious.
    She's done the same thing several times. Whomever is not there, she talks about, and whomever is present is her friend. She talks horribly about the pts, too.

    She's only been a nurse for two years, she can't be that burnt-out yet.

    Its made me lose all respect and trust for her, and it really brings me down to work with her. I've tried to counteract her by saying positive things about the people she puts down but her negative comments seem to permiate everything.

    When I see her name on the schedule with me, my heart sinks.
    I would cringe as well if I saw such a person on the schedule with me!

    I think it's that kind of biddy-ish, two-faced behavior that threatens to give nursing a low-class image. When people behave that way, it's just, well, not classy or worthy of respect. Not to mention it's downright immature.

    I can't imagine going to work every day with the kind of atmosphere that type of behavior would instill, no matter how much I wanted to help patients.
  11. by   Valerie Salva
    Quote from marie-francoise
    I would cringe as well if I saw such a person on the schedule with me!

    I think it's that kind of biddy-ish, two-faced behavior that threatens to give nursing a low-class image. When people behave that way, it's just, well, not classy or worthy of respect. Not to mention it's downright immature.

    I can't imagine going to work every day with the kind of atmosphere that type of behavior would instill, no matter how much I wanted to help patients.
    She especially has an impact on the younger staff members-

    This nurse is very stylish and elegant in her physical appearance, and she wears a size 2. Also, her husband works for the local "big deal" employer. For these reasons, the younger staff really look up to her.

    I wish she had chosen to use her influence in a positive way.
    Last edit by Valerie Salva on Feb 3, '08 : Reason: typo
  12. by   island40
    I think a lot of nurses are in positions that don't suit them. As an RN you can work for an insurance company (no poop there), malpractice lawyer, in a clinic or md office, all units of the hospital, nursing home, medical equipment sales, informatics (read computers), education (I loved teaching a CNA course with my ADN degree), travel and so many more. Nursing is about doing for the client what they are unable to do for themselves which may include wiping their bottom but what shoudl also include teaching them and helping them to learn to take care of themselves. The great thing about nursing is that if you dislike your job- there is another one available right now. Do yourself and your clients a favor and change. (Generation X changes jobs every 2 years, when was the last time you did?)
  13. by   Miss Mab
    Quote from Valerie Salva
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    She was holding court at the nurses' station, surrounded by LPNs and CNAs. She was making fun of and putting down several other staff whom we all work with frequently, but were off that day. She was just hateful and viscious.
    She's done the same thing several times. Whomever is not there, she talks about, and whomever is present is her friend. She talks horribly about the pts, too.

    When I see her name on the schedule with me, my heart sinks.
    This must be more common than I thought! Ugh...

    At my last job I worked nights and there were at least two of these gals. The way we did our own schedules there were sometimes I would work six nights in a row and with that I could watch the focus of said women shift amongst whomever wasn't phsically there that particular night. It was sad.

    I was once chided for "not being social" w/ these particular ladies. Well, duh, it's not as if I didn't know exactly who was gonna get ripped on night number 7! Too funny....and one of a number of reasons I am no longer employed at said job

    On another topic, I wonder if those that are down on the "complainers" and "venters" here at this forum think that this is the ONLY place that those folks deal with their frustrations?

    I'd imagine I might be considered as one of the "negative" crowd on here (I prefer "realist", thank you very much) but you can be darned sure my activism and desire for professional change go much further than the confines of an internet forum.

    But, at times, I am grateful to AllNurses, as occasionally I feel a kindred spirit w/those like minded souls who can understand the bigger issues at play in our workplace, desire a change and can discuss the possibilities that do still exist to further this profession. With vigorous discourse especially!

    If those discussions take place within vents, so be it. Just like in certain patient inteactions I love how on here when you can almost see someone get that "Oh, now I get it" tone to their posts.

    There is most definitely power in numbers and selfishly I enjoy watching each and everyone possible join in the sometimes divisive discussions necessary to work toward the goal of moving nursing proactively forward..............

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