I definitely not recommend nursing. - page 8

I basically gave up 2 years of my sons lives when they were 8 and 10 to complete my RN. I never saw them awake till the weekend. I had school from 0630 till 12:45 and worked as a secretary on a... Read More

  1. by   gwenith
    please note the date on the original post on this thread and consider that the original poster has in all probability moved on.
  2. by   shel_wny
    Quote from gwenith
    please note the date on the original post on this thread and consider that the original poster has in all probability moved on.
    honestly, i think much of this is not directed at the original poster, but instead in response to all of the posts thereafter by other people. i am happy this thread is continuing. it gives burned-out nurses a chance to vent and i find it very eye-opening as a nursing student. i know that nearly every job has its corrupted management and unattainable stupid corporate goals that change with every management position change. cliques and backstabbing everywhere. you can expect that with any group of people. nursing isn't much different, but why would we expect it to be? there does need to be more cohesiveness between nurses all over the us. i would really like to see the ana more active in that. there is a lot of room for improvement and i wish i could do something for all of you poor burned-out underpaid dearies out there.
    i'm not saying that when i become a nurse i'll be different and change the world. that's not my goal at all. however, you can expect me to leave any job that makes me feel beaten down or underpaid. i owe myself that much! if everyone stayed where they were and remained unhappy just because they thought they were stuck and they had to in order to pay the bills or support their family...no one would get anywhere. you have more options than you think. don't be afraid to use them. i've taken so many major risks in my life to change something for the better, and i've never regretted a single one.
    never understimate being proactive.

    shel
  3. by   TinyNurse
    I'm a single mom my son is 4 years old and I'm proud to make 21/hr on regular time.
    At least i'm not on welfare as I was in nursing school. At least my son can say "my mom is a nurse". At least we have some pride about ourselves these days.
    At least I can now pay for our food electric gas and rent on my salary......
    I thank god that I graduated nursing school last june and passed my boards.......
    I am now able to provide a better life for my son!!!!!!
    (((((people wanna ***** bout nursing wages and yes i agree they are low compared to the work we do but at least we can support ourselves on our wages))))))
    xoxo Jenni
  4. by   angel337
    Quote from TinyNurse
    I'm a single mom my son is 4 years old and I'm proud to make 21/hr on regular time.
    At least i'm not on welfare as I was in nursing school. At least my son can say "my mom is a nurse". At least we have some pride about ourselves these days.
    At least I can now pay for our food electric gas and rent on my salary......
    I thank god that I graduated nursing school last june and passed my boards.......
    I am now able to provide a better life for my son!!!!!!
    (((((people wanna ***** bout nursing wages and yes i agree they are low compared to the work we do but at least we can support ourselves on our wages))))))
    xoxo Jenni
    tiny, you have the right attitude about your career. sometimes it takes people to struggle through life to appreciate when they have something better. i don't believe people should settle for something just because it pays the bills, but if a person is truly that unhappy it is time to find another career. i can appreciate my $25/hr salary because i was making $10/hr (with a degree!!). i have worked in business offices, accounting firms, banks. i have had plenty of 9-5 jobs, you name it. these jobs don't pay as well as people think and they definitely come with there own set of crap. i was miserable. when i began my healthcare care as a medical assistant i KNEW without a doubt i wanted to be a nurse. the day i graduated nursing school was one of the happiest days of my life. i love being a nurse and i don't plan to look back. tiny, be proud of your accomplishment. i always admire single mothers that make a choice to do better for themselves and their children. congratulations!
  5. by   Dixiecup
    this is very irritating to me and like a slap in the face. I've been a nurse for almost 20 years. Took a job in a nursing home to work weekends so I could pursue my BSN. I work with three LPN's soon to graduate as RN's ( May 15th) I make 18.00 an hour and they will be hired in at 17.00 an hour. It seems like it took me a lifetime to get to this measly salary and new grads can just walk right into it!:angryfire
  6. by   1styear
    I see that my post has generated a lot of heated discussion. You are correct in your observation that I'm a nursing student who will graduate in December. I live next to Manhattan and the starting salary is $60k/yr. I honestly didn't know it was so much lower in other parts of the country, I thought it was just adjusted to cost of living but apparently it's far less than that in some parts. I was a little agravated with that poster only because every other nurse I encounter has nothing but complaints about their position. So that's 50% of the nuses I encounter, the other 50 are thankfully very happy with their positions, found their niche and have made the best out of their careers and lives so that it's suited to making them happy. There are a lot of opportunities in nursing and a lot of positions outside of the hospital(no they don't fall in you lap --you have to look for them) so it's difficult to hear people feel trapped. I didn't have to word it so harshly -my bad, I think my response was directed at the number of times I've heard it rather than at that one poster.
  7. by   Calfax
    Reading through this thread, I've felt both ways.....nursing is as easy to hate as it is to love. Male nurses are still a minority and I am a military nurse as well making me even more of a red-headed stepchild (you know the loud-mouthed obnoxious one). It is my privilege to serve as a nurse in the Navy and I work as hard as any of you but with no overtime. My patient loads are always high, we are always short and the deployments away from home and family always long. It will never get any better. Ever. We will always be stretched just to breaking. That is the nature of my job. But I'm a nurse....and given the times when I have to choose between being an officer and a nurse.....I always choose to be a nurse and my nursing designators are proudly tattooed on my arm under the trident and US flag for all to see.
    I could have been anything I chose to.....but I wound up a nurse and so be it. Every night I go in there and give 100 percent. But you know what? I'm tired of working my fingers to the bone, every holiday, 12 hr. shifts (3 long years of nights) and never being able to have the resources to do my job properly, of having next to no administrative support and bearing witness to the arrogance of physicians. I moonlighted at a civilian hospital and it's as dismal there too. I was treated with little or no respect there either.
    No one wanted to hear about progression or impliment changes of any kind. They didn't care about the staff or the patients, only what revenue they could suck out of the patients. So be it.
    Those who posted saying that nursing isn't worth it are right....the working conditions suck. But are people doing anything about it? No. There's no marches, there's no walk-outs, there's no demands for better working conditions and god forbid anyone mention a union.....you all sit there and gripe and complain but we never do anything. And try to get 3 nurses together to agree on anything. And we never back each other up, ever.
    Well, I'm tired of it. No more.
    Take nursing back. Demand 8 hr shifts. Demand decent patient ratios. Demand good supplies, demand less stupid paperwork and computer systems that work. But we gotta back it up. Strike and make a media event of it. Go work agency (why do the same job for less money).....better yet, you and your co-workers form your own agencies and write your own contracts.
    Outmaneouver your management at every turn. Lobby....make noise....be vocal. Every other human group out there has someone making noise, why not us? If it's one thing the military has taught me, it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
    I'm not waiting anymore. I'm going back to get my MBA. When I'm done, I'll return to nursing.....but with juice. I'm then going into business. Contract services for whoever will pay. Nursing care is not a right, it's a service. If you want good care you have to pay me and my fellow nurses well. We need to become as ruthless and aggressive about our working conditions as any other trade.
  8. by   shel_wny
    Quote from Calfax
    Reading through this thread, I've felt both ways.....nursing is as easy to hate as it is to love. Male nurses are still a minority and I am a military nurse as well making me even more of a red-headed stepchild (you know the loud-mouthed obnoxious one). It is my privilege to serve as a nurse in the Navy and I work as hard as any of you but with no overtime. My patient loads are always high, we are always short and the deployments away from home and family always long. It will never get any better. Ever. We will always be stretched just to breaking. That is the nature of my job. But I'm a nurse....and given the times when I have to choose between being an officer and a nurse.....I always choose to be a nurse and my nursing designators are proudly tattooed on my arm under the trident and US flag for all to see.
    I could have been anything I chose to.....but I wound up a nurse and so be it. Every night I go in there and give 100 percent. But you know what? I'm tired of working my fingers to the bone, every holiday, 12 hr. shifts (3 long years of nights) and never being able to have the resources to do my job properly, of having next to no administrative support and bearing witness to the arrogance of physicians. I moonlighted at a civilian hospital and it's as dismal there too. I was treated with little or no respect there either.
    No one wanted to hear about progression or impliment changes of any kind. They didn't care about the staff or the patients, only what revenue they could suck out of the patients. So be it.
    Those who posted saying that nursing isn't worth it are right....the working conditions suck. But are people doing anything about it? No. There's no marches, there's no walk-outs, there's no demands for better working conditions and god forbid anyone mention a union.....you all sit there and gripe and complain but we never do anything. And try to get 3 nurses together to agree on anything. And we never back each other up, ever.
    Well, I'm tired of it. No more.
    Take nursing back. Demand 8 hr shifts. Demand decent patient ratios. Demand good supplies, demand less stupid paperwork and computer systems that work. But we gotta back it up. Strike and make a media event of it. Go work agency (why do the same job for less money).....better yet, you and your co-workers form your own agencies and write your own contracts.
    Outmaneouver your management at every turn. Lobby....make noise....be vocal. Every other human group out there has someone making noise, why not us? If it's one thing the military has taught me, it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
    I'm not waiting anymore. I'm going back to get my MBA. When I'm done, I'll return to nursing.....but with juice. I'm then going into business. Contract services for whoever will pay. Nursing care is not a right, it's a service. If you want good care you have to pay me and my fellow nurses well. We need to become as ruthless and aggressive about our working conditions as any other trade.
    AMEN! I'm just a wee nursing student/CNA but I'm behind you full tilt!

    Shel
  9. by   mstigerlily
    I live in San Diego, CA. I've been at my very first job just three months and have only an ADN degree. I make $27.03/hr so far with a $4/hr night differential (and I work nights now - we have 3 12s per week but you can also work any combo of that 2 wk/then 3, 2 a week, etc). BSNs are paid about $1.50 more an hour, MSN's I think $2-$3 more (to start). I am a nurse in the mother/baby unit and I just love it. Patients are happy and well, a lot of teaching is involved. I go home tired but happy. I find I have a lot of time with my three kids, much more than I had working a 9-5 job or even working days. I like my hospital very much, I work at Scripps La Jolla and our hospital just received magnet status, one of only five hospitals in Ca to do so.

    Our director and manager is very fair, a little intimidating but fantastic lady. We write our own schedules and are only required to work one weekend a month and two holidays (one summer, one winter) per year. Our benefits are fantastic and reasonably priced. We get 21 paid days off per year which accrue from time of hire. After 5 yrs we get 28 days! Double time is paid for extra shifts and a lot of nurses do this all the time. Gosh, I sound like a recruiter - but I really am happy where I am. I've only been a nurse for a few months though but I'm so happy I made this career choice.

    I am sorry you are having a bad experience. Come to California! We need nurses badly. Although cost of living is high - I was born here so I'm used to it but it's a big shock if you are coming from somewhere else .

    Melissa
    Last edit by mstigerlily on May 5, '05
  10. by   tencat
    Wow, it's amazing how many similarities there are between the career of nursing and the career of teaching. I'm a teacher, soon to be BSN student, and I've ntoiced that teachers also don't stick together, and often they won't join unions. Work conditions are less than adequate, and "management" aka Administration, won't treat them better, partially because they don't demand it. I think nurses, police officers, and teachers should make up their own special union. Can you imagine how powerful we'd be if we all stuck together and demanded the respect we deserve?
  11. by   froggy4
    It's unfortunate but true....if you get into nursing it should be more of a calling than a job/career, because you're not going to get compensated for the physical, mental and emotional effort you will put out.....Let's face it, almost everyone thinks of the nurses as worker bees. The patients need to be cared for, thus there are nurses. However, we are not respected enough to be treated compensatorily or paid compensatorily for what we contribute. I have wracked my brain and so has the nursing community to address this problem. Meanwhile nurses have left the field and few are joining. Yet, society still needs nursing care.....Mhmmmm what to do? I myself, a BSN, since 1985, mostly in the field of Perinatal nursing (with a VERY sore back, large bladder and never a chance to eat or take a break!) am trying to get into Legal Nurse Constuling. Is this the answer for me? I don't know, but I'm going to try because I am a single mom of 3 boys, 2 dogs and a tree frog!!

    I'll say one thing about nurses, we are infinately compassionate, extremely tough and an overall incredible species!!

    To all nurses out there....keep trying to improve your situation and don't forget to take care of each other along the way....if you have to leave nursing to save yourself, so be it, build on what you had and move forward!!

    Good Luck!!

    Froggy 4
  12. by   Danielle4
    Quote from tencat
    Wow, it's amazing how many similarities there are between the career of nursing and the career of teaching. I'm a teacher, soon to be BSN student, and I've ntoiced that teachers also don't stick together, and often they won't join unions. Work conditions are less than adequate, and "management" aka Administration, won't treat them better, partially because they don't demand it. I think nurses, police officers, and teachers should make up their own special union. Can you imagine how powerful we'd be if we all stuck together and demanded the respect we deserve?
    I agree. I also think medical technologists should join the union. they are underpaid and underappreciated too.
  13. by   Danielle4
    Quote from Calfax
    Reading through this thread, I've felt both ways.....nursing is as easy to hate as it is to love. Male nurses are still a minority and I am a military nurse as well making me even more of a red-headed stepchild (you know the loud-mouthed obnoxious one). It is my privilege to serve as a nurse in the Navy and I work as hard as any of you but with no overtime. My patient loads are always high, we are always short and the deployments away from home and family always long. It will never get any better. Ever. We will always be stretched just to breaking. That is the nature of my job. But I'm a nurse....and given the times when I have to choose between being an officer and a nurse.....I always choose to be a nurse and my nursing designators are proudly tattooed on my arm under the trident and US flag for all to see.
    I could have been anything I chose to.....but I wound up a nurse and so be it. Every night I go in there and give 100 percent. But you know what? I'm tired of working my fingers to the bone, every holiday, 12 hr. shifts (3 long years of nights) and never being able to have the resources to do my job properly, of having next to no administrative support and bearing witness to the arrogance of physicians. I moonlighted at a civilian hospital and it's as dismal there too. I was treated with little or no respect there either.
    No one wanted to hear about progression or impliment changes of any kind. They didn't care about the staff or the patients, only what revenue they could suck out of the patients. So be it.
    Those who posted saying that nursing isn't worth it are right....the working conditions suck. But are people doing anything about it? No. There's no marches, there's no walk-outs, there's no demands for better working conditions and god forbid anyone mention a union.....you all sit there and gripe and complain but we never do anything. And try to get 3 nurses together to agree on anything. And we never back each other up, ever.
    Well, I'm tired of it. No more.
    Take nursing back. Demand 8 hr shifts. Demand decent patient ratios. Demand good supplies, demand less stupid paperwork and computer systems that work. But we gotta back it up. Strike and make a media event of it. Go work agency (why do the same job for less money).....better yet, you and your co-workers form your own agencies and write your own contracts.
    Outmaneouver your management at every turn. Lobby....make noise....be vocal. Every other human group out there has someone making noise, why not us? If it's one thing the military has taught me, it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
    I'm not waiting anymore. I'm going back to get my MBA. When I'm done, I'll return to nursing.....but with juice. I'm then going into business. Contract services for whoever will pay. Nursing care is not a right, it's a service. If you want good care you have to pay me and my fellow nurses well. We need to become as ruthless and aggressive about our working conditions as any other trade.
    I agree with you 100%! Good for you.

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