Socialised Medicine the myths and the facts

Yes, I am well aware of the "poo poo" of John Rawls through my studies of John Locke. Redistribution, free handouts, and bringing the poor up on the backs of others who've earned it through their sweat and hard work. Yes, I'm well aware of his NONSENSE and the ultimately unsustainable concepts that he wrote about. But at least you know where your MARXISTS AND SOCIALISTS beliefs come from. You're the exception and not the rule like so many others on this website who take marching from the ANA and other intellectual midgets who spew this "poo poo".

Having worked in a country which has socialised medicine I can certainly see the pit falls and the benefits. What I dont understand is the fear behind having socialised medicine In my opinion socialised medicine has more positive benefits than negative benefits.

The first and the most obvious concern is the cost to the patient and their family, we all know how devestating an illness can be for pts and their family many times I have witnessed the despair when a diagnoses meant further treatment which insurances question and in some cases wont cover. I have seen pts needing costly drugs to keep them alive and being unable to afford them, causing repeated admissions to repair the damage so called none compliance has caused. The first question in none compliance is were the pts actually refusing to take their medication or was it simply they could not afford to buy their medication because they dont have enough money and other bills need to be paid first? If the real reason is the cost then surely it would be more simple of we provided these medications at a more effective price or that all medications cost $5 no matter what they had? Outrageous I hear you shout but the cost of the repeated admission is far more costly than by helping prevent a repeat admission, by providing medicine they can afford.

How about blood tests could these not be done in the doctors office before the pt leaves for home and forgets to go and have a blood draw, or simply cannot get to the lab to have them drawn. I have personnally waited in doctors office hours (and paid for the priviledge) then been sent to the lab, miles away to sit and wait for blood work to be done. Why could the doctors not employ somebody to be at the office to draw blood on pts?
We should be looking at improving preventative medicine rather than patch it up and see.

Many times I have seen pts discharged with a new diagnoses of diabetes, no follow up at home can be organised because in my city nothing exists to assist these people. There should be a diabetic home nurse who monitors these pts in their own home-rationale, this would again help prevent admissions for diabetic complications, and none compliance.

So you wonder what has this got to do with socialised medicine. Well, in the UK if you have certain illnesses for example

• Children
• Over 60 for women and over 65 for men
• Diabetes
• Asthma
• Thyroid problems, etc...

then you get all your medicines for free.

There are in place specialised RN's who focus is on preventative care in the community. There are telephone help lines which anybody can utilise for free.

Maternity care is free a midwife will be assigned to you for the duration of your pregnancy and upto 6 weeks later. The cost of the birth-nothing no matter how you deliver.

I have been asked what kind of care do you recieve in a socilaised medicine country and I ask them, I am a product of socialised medicine you tell me how my care differs from nurses who have paid outrageous amounts of money to train as a nurse?

Of course even in the UK you can have private care if you chose to pay, this is an advantage if you need hip replacements, knee replacements, eye surgeries-other wise you may have to wait. There are initiatives in place to reduce waiting times for surgeries in the NHS and I hear that dr's can now book surgeries from their office at hospitals all over the UK which helps reduce waiting times, plus hospitals get fined if they dont meet their quota.
I agree MRI's and CT's are not as freely available, but again iinitiatives are in place to improve the waiting times.
Emergency care no different all patients will recieve emergency care.

Poor conditions yes there are poor hospitals and there are excellent hospitals, no different to Phoenix AZ.

Questions??

As long as publicly traded hospital corporations and insurance companies run healthcare there will be less impetus to make healthcare affordable. These companies have their executive salaries as their main priority. That is because their salaries and bonuses are predicated on making money for stockholders. There is something that is contradictory when these corporations state the patient is their top priority when in fact it can't be since stockholders return on investment is the controlling factor. These corporations must realize that Obama and congress are serious about bringing costs under control as they have already given ground by stating they will not increase costs as predicted.

I'm Canadian. The best thing about our health care system is that in your daily life, you never have to think about affording care or not. You see your doctor or receive hospital care and you never get a bill. Our health care covers us no matter what province we are in when we need the care.

Catastrophic injury or illness? Same thing--you receive the care and no bills.

As nurses, we are paid well. And we don't have to worry about our patients' insurance covering this or that--we just look after them.

No system is perfect--there some community services that should be covered, especially for the elderly who need help with ADL's but I think that will come eventually. We could use better coverage for dental and drugs than we currently have, but people can get private insurance plans for that at relatively low cost.

Where health care is FOR PROFIT, that's when it becomes exclusionary and expensive. That's when it becomes an expense like any other in daily life. I would be so afraid to live in the USA where my coverage was a matter of ongoing concern.