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No. 40
from VickyRN
Old Jul 03, 2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRussKCMO View Post
Its funny there is so much unethical behavior in the classroom makes me wonder if it bleeds over into the workplace even with HIPPA set up to protect the patient. I know cheating was rampant in business school which helps me identify exactly why our economy is in the trouble
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No. 41
from goober4699
Old Jul 03, 2009, 11:57 PM

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I agree that cheating is pretty rampant in schools... and something should be done to curve it, however..... As far as shutting cell phones off without even the option of placing them on vibrate, as an adult student and mother, I will never, ever render myself completely unavailable to my child in case of emergency and I mean never. if that should land me in the deans office to explain myself well then it must be done but I am an adult and will not be told that I can't ensure my childs safety period
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No. 42
from VickyRN
Old Jul 05, 2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by goober4699 View Post
I agree that cheating is pretty rampant in schools... and something should be done to curve it, however..... As far as shutting cell phones off without even the option of placing them on vibrate, as an adult student and mother, I will never, ever render myself completely unavailable to my child in case of emergency and I mean never. if that should land me in the deans office to explain myself well then it must be done but I am an adult and will not be told that I can't ensure my childs safety period
Most educators will make an exception to the "turn off the cellphone rule" if the student approaches them in private. I know I would do so. The main reason that instructors ask that cell phones be turned off is to prevent the annoying habit of texting in class.
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No. 43
from ElijahFL28
Old Jul 06, 2009, 10:57 AM

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In the realm of cheating, we have to think along the sad but true lines of, if your cheating your cheating yourself and your future patients(if you even get that far). So often, students want to challenge the facts about something or they want to over-analyze and question themselves. This behavior is distructive. Listen with an open mind and open ears, partner with your peers for studying, and realize while partnering is great, you must partner with someone who is grasps the issues that you are not understanding. You can't study and surround yourself with someone totally confused, this is counter-produtive.
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No. 44
from Ginger45
Old Jul 08, 2009, 11:30 AM

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My question is, "Why would you cheat? You need to know the information and pass the boards."
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No. 45
from VickyRN
Old Jul 08, 2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ginger45 View Post
My question is, "Why would you cheat? You need to know the information and pass the boards."
Unfortunately, some cheaters are cleaver enough to pass the boards - this is not a failsafe measure.
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No. 46
from ilmbg
Old Jul 13, 2009, 08:05 PM

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It is sad to realize how much cheating goes on. I went to school going on 30 years ago, so I guess either I just wasn't aware of it or it wasn't as active as it is now.
I have one thought though- no matter how much these people cheat- they can't cheat while taking boards can they? I know taking boards is different in some states- you can use a computer, but I thought there had to be another person in the same room as the test taker???
It just seems that if a student is going to cheat in school, then they will fail the boards, no?
Maybe I am not 'with it"?
I think people who cheat in school will cheat at work also. It is just the way they are throughout life- a slacker at everything they do.
Let me know about the boards- don't you sit with strict monitoring anymore?
I took my boards in Michigan, and if you had to use the bathroom, the doors to the toilet stalls were taken off, and a monitor actually went into the bathroom with you....
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No. 47
from VickyRN
Old Jul 14, 2009, 07:27 AM
Updated Jul 14, 2009 at 08:31 AM by VickyRN

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Originally Posted by ilmbg View Post
It is sad to realize how much cheating goes on. I went to school going on 30 years ago, so I guess either I just wasn't aware of it or it wasn't as active as it is now.
I have one thought though- no matter how much these people cheat- they can't cheat while taking boards can they? I know taking boards is different in some states- you can use a computer, but I thought there had to be another person in the same room as the test taker???
It just seems that if a student is going to cheat in school, then they will fail the boards, no?
Maybe I am not 'with it"?
I think people who cheat in school will cheat at work also. It is just the way they are throughout life- a slacker at everything they do.
Let me know about the boards- don't you sit with strict monitoring anymore?
I took my boards in Michigan, and if you had to use the bathroom, the doors to the toilet stalls were taken off, and a monitor actually went into the bathroom with you....
As witnessed by the latest political scandals, questionable ethics are pervasive in our society. Higher education is not exempt; some say cheating is rampant. I question the belief that the NCLEX is an automatic failsafe mechanism for cheaters. Some cheaters will pass the NCLEX. Then they will go on to practice nursing on a vulnerable patient population.

To answer your question, the NCLEX itself is almost cheat-proof with its elaborate security. Some cheaters are just smart enough to pass it on their own merits.
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No. 48
from Nurse-88
Old Jul 16, 2009, 09:44 AM

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One of my bestfriends got into Nursing school by cheating.

Out of highschool we didn't have all of the pre-req's to apply to the Nursing program here in Ontario, so we took one semester of a Pre-Health program at a local college.

We both took Intro Anatomy, and Communications.

Our anatomy class has 6 tests spread out through the semester. She passed the first one with a 60%, failed the next two. The last three she was "sick" for, so she didn't write them on the actual exam day, so she'd get to write the same exam, within a week after she missed it. That's a poor policy the college had. Anyways the day after the exam the teacher would give the exams back to review, then collect them at the end of class, so a friend of ours would write down all the correct answers for the exams, then give them to my bestfriend to use when writing the test later.

She got 100% on the last three exams by cheating that way. Teacher didn't suspect a thing. She ended up with a 88% in the course, and got accepted to Nursing right away. If she hadn't cheated, she'd probably not be in Nursing school right now. People will do anything these days, but she's since matured, we were only 19 years old at the time.
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No. 49
from VickyRN
Old Jul 16, 2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MacNursing View Post
One of my bestfriends got into Nursing school by cheating.

Out of highschool we didn't have all of the pre-req's to apply to the Nursing program here in Ontario, so we took one semester of a Pre-Health program at a local college.

We both took Intro Anatomy, and Communications.

Our anatomy class has 6 tests spread out through the semester. She passed the first one with a 60%, failed the next two. The last three she was "sick" for, so she didn't write them on the actual exam day, so she'd get to write the same exam, within a week after she missed it. That's a poor policy the college had. Anyways the day after the exam the teacher would give the exams back to review, then collect them at the end of class, so a friend of ours would write down all the correct answers for the exams, then give them to my bestfriend to use when writing the test later.

She got 100% on the last three exams by cheating that way. Teacher didn't suspect a thing. She ended up with a 88% in the course, and got accepted to Nursing right away. If she hadn't cheated, she'd probably not be in Nursing school right now. People will do anything these days, but she's since matured, we were only 19 years old at the time.
Interesting point about make-up examinations. If a teacher is using the same test version for both, it is not a question of if students will cheat, but when and how much. Prudent instructors should have several different versions of examinations or different modalities (such as an essay exam for make-up).

The make-up examination should never be the same test that the overall class received. If there are two sections to a class, each section should have its own version of the test. Otherwise, that's an open invitation to cheating also.
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