Cheating in the Classroom

rockenmomRN · May 06, 2009, 05:03 PM

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while doing my pre_reqs i sat next to a friend who was cheating on an quiz, i confronted her about it. her response was that "it was worth 25points!!!" i explained to her that her character as a person was worth more than 25points and so was our friendship. she turned herself in.

KateRN1 · May 06, 2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyRN

One simple but effective method is to insert a few key sentences from a suspect paper into a metasearch engine such as dogpile.com

And that is exactly how I discovered most of them. It's quite easy to tell when a student's "voice" isn't reflected in his/her paper. And to have a failing student turn in a paper in perfect MLA format, and then to not know that it was formatted as such, well . . . how stupid did they think I was?

Sadly, the other teachers in the program had no clue and continued to accept papers that were clearly not the students' own works. Even after I explained the easy procedure to uncover plagiarism, the director insisted that it was too much trouble or that it somehow wasn't worth it to call them out for it. I suspect that it was to prevent the loss of state funding and to make sure that we actually had some students that would graduate at the end of it. One of the many reasons I left nursing education.

**VickyRN** · May 06, 2009, 09:17 PM

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How very sad, KateRN1

gt4everpn · May 06, 2009, 09:22 PM

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I'm in the end of my first year of nursing school and my school has just had a bout of cbeating. My entire level was then penalized for the cheating even though the majority of us weren't. I can never cheat, one it takes too much time and concentration and too I'm a goner if I get caught! I guess people are desperate, real desperate, sad.

Becky8 · May 06, 2009, 09:53 PM

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I wonder about the on line testing that is becoming more prevalent in my school. It is a wonderful convenience, but how many students stick to the closed book requirement I wonder? It seems that it is the wave of the futurue, but I think it might be doing the education of nurses a disservice. What are you finding out there?

momology · May 07, 2009, 02:22 AM

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The men in our classes developed weak bladders during tests. I'm sure their blackberries were very helpful to them. One fellow was a pied piper of cheating who also goaded other students to not participate in class, including post clinical conferences. When caught red-handed not being at a clinical he was allowed to stay in the program and is now an employed nurse. I have also witnessed employed foreign trained RNs giggle and be unable to respond to simple questions during lecture, fail basic CPR during continuing education classes then magically pass the written test all of them with one wrong minutes later. I hope that they are just nervous testers and have some sort of conscience and hone their skills.

davidthenurse · May 07, 2009, 04:12 AM

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Yes, I agree. Cheating is completely unacceptable.

My attitude is: I would not want to be cared for by a nurse who cheated his/her way through their studies and training. If they have no conscience about cheating, then they most likely won't have a problem with falsifying the patient's records or denying medication errors that occur.

And worse yet, if someone cheats in their studies because they couldn't be bothered learning, then what kind of a nurse will they make anyway? It simply indicates that if they cheat, then they are not serious about nursing - so that means they aren't going to give you the best possible care anyway.

I know I'm only a student, but its my sincere desire to learn as much as possible about nursing and caring for others. In fact, it is quite disheartening and upsetting to see other student nurses who don't bother studying thoroughly -- are they a nurse purely for the money, and because its "just another job"? ... or for love and care for others??? I know what I believe the answer is !!

**VickyRN** · May 07, 2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky8

I wonder about the on line testing that is becoming more prevalent in my school. It is a wonderful convenience, but how many students stick to the closed book requirement I wonder? It seems that it is the wave of the futurue, but I think it might be doing the education of nurses a disservice. What are you finding out there?

Online "closed-book" testing WITHOUT proctors is NOT a good idea. I would estimate that the temptation to "look" at notes or the textbook is too great for at least 75% of the students (and this is probably a very low estimate). This practice is now forbidden at my university. All online tests/ quizzes/ exams (that count as a grade) MUST be proctored.

I believe my university instituted this policy as the credibility of online programs is being brought into question due to the cheating issue. Many people consider online degrees as "inferior" to degrees obtained from a brick-and-mortar college with "seated" classrooms due to this reason.

**VickyRN** · May 07, 2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by momology

The men in our classes developed weak bladders during tests. I'm sure their blackberries were very helpful to them. One fellow was a pied piper of cheating who also goaded other students to not participate in class, including post clinical conferences. When caught red-handed not being at a clinical he was allowed to stay in the program and is now an employed nurse. I have also witnessed employed foreign trained RNs giggle and be unable to respond to simple questions during lecture, fail basic CPR during continuing education classes then magically pass the written test all of them with one wrong minutes later. I hope that they are just nervous testers and have some sort of conscience and hone their skills.

Guess we need to install port-o-potties in each classroom. (just joking, I think...) I have oftened wondered about the possible breach of security that occurs when students are allowed to exit the classroom for bathroom breaks during examinations. However, I don't want to be too strict. Some examinations can take over 2 hrs to complete. I wouldn't want someone telling me I couldn't go during an examination, if I felt the sudden urge. I think one practical solution would be to have a proctor "escort" the student to the bathrooms and to inspect the bathrooms before and after for evidence of cheat notes, etc.

**pagandeva2000** · May 07, 2009, 02:20 PM

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This makes me wonder about the on line RN courses. They take an exam after each module (I forget what word they use for it). Is Excelsior's exams the same as NCLEX, where the test questions from from a pool, or is it that 'each one can teach one' so to speak and keep passing information to their friends after they take the exams?

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