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| No. 60 |
Feb 23, 2009, 02:15 PM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life Originally Posted by systoly Isn't it interesting how these type of instructores always seem to pick the younger students for their victims. Afraid that a person with more life experience would realize - hey, I'm paying your salary, and, if I'm a failure it's because you've failed as an instructor. May many young students receive hope and strenght from this story and may many patients have the good fortune to be under raekaylvn's care.
I don't think it is necessarily the instructor's fault if a student fails. Plenty of students are quite able to fail all by themselves.
part of being paid to be an Instructor involves weeding out those students who are not meeting school requirements. Some students don't do the necessary work, some have attendance or tardiness problems, some cheat, some do not do the necessary preparation prior to Clinicals, some have too much going on outside of school and don't study enough, and so forth. There ARE some students who are in school at the wrong time in their lives or who should not be in N. School at all. Yeah, there are some psycho Instructors, too.
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Feb 23, 2009, 02:20 PM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life Originally Posted by queen777 I would have given anything to have an RN instructor like you! Even before I was able to start the program I got jipped by the pharmachology teacher. He gave us this huge test only the second time we had class. The test seemed like a test that would & should have been given only at the end of the class to test us on what we had studied.
I could never figure it out that the instructors were "out to get students". Was this some kind of test to see how tough we would be as floor nurses? Seemed very petty to me. I felt "set up" so many times. I was not a kid. I was 33 yrs old with 2 little kids and a husband, so all of this was not easy.
Back to the pham test. When I finally took my last stab at passing pharm math and got my test back, I noticed some of the answers had been erased! But not having any way to prove it, I failed by .3 of a point!!!. The head of the nursing program came out in the hallway where a lot of us were standing and she came over to me and said, "I know you think you passed, but you didn't!" "I want to see you in my office." There she continued to lecture me saying "we all can't be astronauts!". I am thinking just let me out of here, I have had enough and I think that is exactly what she wanted ,yet there are complaints there is a nursing shortage, of course there is.
Anyway I went on the LPN school and passed with flying colors. At my last job, 10 yrs ago, I was a charge nurse on a subacute floor with RNs under me! I was the only LPN working that shift. My supervisor said I was better than most of his RNs because my heart was in my job and I did a better job than they did. All I wanted to do was be a floor nurse.
[........] I never knew someone could be so heartless. I guess my heart was in nursing too much. I am epileptic so to be able to go back to school and not be discriminated against, there are no words for the cloud I was on. This was my dream come true, at last I could be the nurse I had only been called by my father.
Now at 55 I only wish all of this anomosity would go away so I could be the happy person I used to be. She has no idea the resentment I feel for what she took away from me. It wasn't necessary. I wasn't even through the program yet. Why did she have to beat me down? I possibly could have failed along the way and that would have been that. Amen.
These are really some horrible stories that I've been reading on here...... All I can say is "document, document, document" and record everything in one way or another, including what people say to you and when, and include any witnesses too. I will as a matter of regular practice, be keeping a daily journal of such things from here on out. I'm taking English 101 as a co-req while I'm in school and waiting for placement, and have to hone my writing skills (which are pretty good to begin with anyhow) because I may need them in my nursing career. Yes, I agree that this is an instructor's game, and that to a certain extent you have to kiss a bit of butt, but IMO this goes "beyond the pale". I repeat what I posted earlier - I do not believe that this sort of "instruction" should be allowed to exist, and I will never believe in it, for any supposed reason. Most of us have gone through a lot of crap just to get to the point we are at now - we aren't going to go nine-tenths of the way just to shrug our shoulders and walk away from it. We have too much - materially, financially, emotionally, and spiritually invested in it, to just walk away from it because of one person's character flaws.
Thank you for sharing this story BTW - "forewarned is forearmed" as an old old saying goes .........
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Feb 23, 2009, 02:38 PM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life Originally Posted by Vito Andolini This is good to hear - that there is at least 1 normal instructor in the world.
I must say, while there are definitely some terrible teachers, there are also some students who seem to do everything in their power to give instructors a hard time. When I was teaching, I had students who habitually arrived late, came unprepared, hid out during clinicals, and viewed me as their enemy no matter how much I tried to be fair with them, tried to teach them what they needed to know, and bent the rules to try to help them. I knew they had children to care for, jobs to work to stay alive, and many responsibilities besides school.
I tried to balance their needs with the fact that I was supposed to be preparing them to care for human lives and preparing them to be able to be employed. I felt responsible to teach them to be punctual, reliable, & time-conscious, among other things. It is very hard to teach responsibility to some students.
Some students tried to befriend me. I kept my distance and probably seemed unfriendly but felt it was necessary, for their benefit, mine, and the benefit of their future patients. I tried hard to pass everyone but let the students decide, by their efforts and by their successes or failures, what became of their attempts to become nurses.
I'm not implying that anyone here on this board was or is a problem student, only presenting a glimpse into the head of an Instructor, for whatever it's worth.
Yes, there is that angle of it, and maybe some are the way they are because of this, but it's still not fair to the students who are really trying, and are not in any way shape or form "messing up". Nobody said teaching was an easy job. You may notice that I'm not volunteering to do it. In a lot of ways its a thankless and unrecognized job. I realize that. I am male, and I am an older student (55 y.o.) and have already experienced some of this stuff. I am more of a "go with the flow, shrug it off" type of guy, but I know that at some point I am probably going to be challenged and publicly called out by someone somewhere, so I'm going to have to be ready for it, and respond to it publicly and immediately.
| | No. 63 |
Feb 23, 2009, 03:41 PM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life Originally Posted by hillarypeace2006 Stay Strong... Some of these instructors out here are on serious power-trips! I've experienced something similar and after being so mad, sad, and feeling down, I realized that only an inadquate educator would believe that shattering one's confidence was adequate education. It's on her..not you.. Just do your best and document these things. If she did it to you, she definitely did it to others...Just keep a journal, time and date in a mini notebook you can keep in your notebook pocket, like a diary... then if you should have to defend yourself in a "grading situation" you will not have to rely on anecdotal recollection of what occurred.
I knew someone else on here had mentioned journaling and also documenting every little thing :-) These subject threads get so long that sometimes you have to go back and re-read them. I'd actually been considering journaling before this for other reasons, but it's a good thing to do in this case.
To Vito Andolini:
It's not an instructor's responsibility to "weed people out". People like that will weed themselves out eventually. Yes, I know that it happens all the time, but that doesn't mean that it's right. Everyone deserves a fair shake. If they mess up in spite of being given one, then it's totally on them. I was related a story by some younger fellow students of mine who had a particularly difficult instructor for a lecture class (I actually had him for a lab, and he was very rude and disrespectful of me in that lab, but I didn't take the bait). Anyway, this instructor, when called openly on some stuff in this lecture class angrily told everyone in the class to "get out". I cannot personally verify this - it's just what I was told by them later. I did not say this to those students, but if it had been me, I would not have left the classroom. Why? Because I am a working, voting, taxpaying citizen of this state, attending a public education institution. That seat I'm sitting in is *paid for*, and I expect a product (a decent education) to be delivered, as long as I fulfill my part of the contract. Wether or not it's the right time of life for me to be in nursing school or not, is none of the instructor's concern. I am 55 years old and I have a 25 year-old son who's older than most of the students here. I am perfectly capable of deciding when I can or can't go to nursing school, and once I've made the decision, I expect to be treated honorably and fairly.
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Feb 23, 2009, 03:50 PM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life Originally Posted by Vito Andolini I don't think it is necessarily the instructor's fault if a student fails. Plenty of students are quite able to fail all by themselves.
part of being paid to be an Instructor involves weeding out those students who are not meeting school requirements. Some students don't do the necessary work, some have attendance or tardiness problems, some cheat, some do not do the necessary preparation prior to Clinicals, some have too much going on outside of school and don't study enough, and so forth. There ARE some students who are in school at the wrong time in their lives or who should not be in N. School at all. Yeah, there are some psycho Instructors, too.
I really dispise the term "weeding out the bad students". I agree with some of what you said, but to me this was the "right time" for me to go back to school. Family, husband or not I was so ready to be that nurse I had always wanted to be.
I had little kids and when I taught them something I let them make mistakes, that is what it's all about. So to me, in class, was that place to make mistakes to prevent them later. No one is born knowing how to be a nurse. It takes years to "hone that log" Therefore no teacher should expect perfection from any student. If we knew how to be a nurse, there would be no need in attending school for this.
Nursing is a whole different language from any subject I had ever taken school prior to this time. It takes time to learn the language. And as we go from day to day we can't help but improve. But if a teacher beats a person down in the beginning that teacher/boss is broken and doubt sets in on the student.
Admit it, "A TEACHER CAN MAKE YOU OR BREAK YOU". I am 55 yo. I know what I am talking about!
| | No. 68 |
Feb 24, 2009, 10:07 AM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life
Go on Rae, you are going 2 b a fantastic nurse. I had a similar situation when I was in RN school, I was in nursing 2 and that particular professor was on my tail, she even went as far as telline me I was not ready for patient care one clinical morning. She had another instructor come in to follow me around on another clinical day, and that clinical instructor told her and me that I was doing a great job and will be a fantastic nurse some day. That is when I got a break from her. I went on to nursing 3 and all her pets repeated the semester.
PS. I kept her cell # on my list and I did give her a call after I did the NCLEX and passed. When they treat u like that I think is bcause they r threatened by the possibility that u r going 2 b a better nurse than they were. Keep your head high, and do what u love with passion. I will be doing the same and routing for u in the mean time. (hhooo)
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