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| No. 90 |
Feb 27, 2009, 12:27 PM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life
Vito -
Thanks for your reply, and yes, I actually agree with a lot of what you've said. While I still don't believe that it's an instructor's job to "weed people out" (I don't like that term anyway), I agree that part of their job is to prepare students for the "real world" out there. A lot of what students will run into are situations where they maybe are left on a floor and they will have to make the call on their own as to what to do, things like that. A lot of responsibility. Most of the students that can't handle this will end up taking themselves out in one manner or another. Those who remain will have been tested and will be ready. Having said that, I still don't think breaking a person's confidence or spirit right at the beginning is the way to go. I realize that these stories that we are reading are the minority, and really aren't representative of the majority of nursing instructors. I'm sure most are caring, helpful, and when they are hard it's because they have to be.
I apologize if I sounded a bit harsh initially, but reading some of these "horror stories" sort of hit a nerve with me so to speak. I have a ways to go yet in my own nursing program, but I've already run into people who would love to see me fail at all of this. I will succeed anyhow. That's what I've decided. I do understand where you are coming from though, and like I said, I agree with a lot of it, but I still stand by what I've said too. Thanks again for your clarification :-)
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Feb 27, 2009, 12:35 PM
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Feb 27, 2009 at 02:41 PM by multicollinearity
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life Originally Posted by PCstudent2009 Vito -
Thanks for your reply, and yes, I actually agree with a lot of what you've said. While I still don't believe that it's an instructor's job to "weed people out" (I don't like that term anyway), I agree that part of their job is to prepare students for the "real world" out there.
I have to agree with Vito. Clinical instructors have a role in protecting the public from incompetent nursing students.
| | No. 92 |
Feb 28, 2009, 02:49 PM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life Originally Posted by multicollinearity I have to agree with Vito. Clinical instructors have a role in protecting the public from incompetent nursing students.
Like I replied to him earlier, those type of students tend to weed themselves out without "added help" [go back and reread some of the stories]. Nobody's going to pass them along (or shouldn't) if they haven't actually cut the mustard. Their (instructor's) role in this sense is no different than any other instructor's - all the way from first grade to college graduate school. I will still never agree with the sort of "instruction" that beats people down or bullys them. Ever.
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Feb 28, 2009, 07:12 PM
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Feb 28, 2009 at 07:19 PM by sirI
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life Originally Posted by Vito Andolini I suppose, but only if that teacher has that mindset. Believe it or not, most teachers only want the best for their students. I think. I know I only wanted to teach, never to destroy anyone.
Look, people should go to school whenever they want, no matter what their personal lives are like. It is not up to me and I do not say they are wrong for doing whatever they are doing, whenever they are doing it.
Understand me now. All I meant, and perhaps did not say clearly, is that some students have so many things going on outside of school that it makes it hard for them to focus on school. They have marital or family issues, health, car, or money issues, etc. They should not come to school expecting to not work hard, expecting sympathy, expecting special breaks because of their personal circumstances. That's what I meant. Sorry for being unclear.
Students must come to learn. I think older students especially have a hard time starting over again. I know I would, especially if the teacher were younger than I.
Students should plan on doing the work, following the rules, understanding that the teacher is trying to teach, not bully them or give them a hard time. Yes, some Instructors are mean or unfair. I do not believe I ever was, certainly not intentionally. I did nothing but try to educate my students, with a pure heart. I never browbeat or put down a student. I also did not let them get by with cheating, tardiness, excessive absenteeism, coming unprepared, or thinking they should be treated differently due to CNA or paramedic history, being older, being a single parent, or anything else. Everyone was held to the same standard. Sudden problems, such as a death in the family, were, of course, treated properly. And while it is hard when a child is ill for example, the fact that a child might be ill from time to time is forseeable. Therefore, the students were told, from the start, to have a plan in place to handle this, as their being absent more than once per semester would result in make-up days. Enough absences (more than 1, as stated), for whatever reasons, including deaths in the family, sick kids, their own sickness, crimes against them, etc., would result in failure and their having to repeat the semester.
It was not my rule. It was harsh but it was reality and I did enforce it. I had to or I'd have been falsifying school records and I was not about to do that for anyone. I have a license to protect, a family to support. In this matter, all Instructors were alike and the school required this of us and backed us up whenever a student tried to fight this, which happened every semester, predictably. The school had to follow state and federal laws or risk going out of business. No student is worth that.
I hate to admit it but I am older than you are. And I think I know something of life, also.
I wish you well. I hope you understand.
Look I brought my 7 yr.old son to lecture and lab and he sat politely through the whole thing. I never brought my problems to school.
I hope you understand too.
| | No. 95 |
Mar 01, 2009, 12:21 PM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life Originally Posted by BSNstudent09  Congradulations!
I am glad you made it past the instrutor. I had the same experiance with an CI while in the BSN at Grand Canon Univ. All the other students spoke up for me to the head instructor. I was told they always back CI or they would have a hard time finding CI's. At the end of the semester I endded up quitting. I am now doing my LPN. I glad you did not give up. 
I wish I could have filled you in before you quit as that is exactly what they want you to do! Quit. Why is beyond me.
I spoke face-to-face with an instructor (she will be my daughter's mother-in-law) A very nice lady indeed, but she stated to me that "you don't want to know what they called me and it wasn't nice.
I asked her up front "why do ya'll do that?" "It's not necessary." I was getting upset just talking to her. And after I spoke about some of the awful experiences I had, she agreed they were "after" me!
So what I took from the conversation is, some instructors make it a little on the difficult side to toughen us up, while there are exceptions that some CIs are "out to get you"!
I know this as too many times "things" happened to only me, so I know exactly what you are talking about.
LPN school is a breeze compared to RN. so you will do just fine, and keep your head up, don't volunteer any info you don't have to, and don't ask silly questions. I found out that a lot of times those questions were answered had I only waited. I think they don't want you to ask questions at all! I always wanted to say "if I knew this, I would not be here".
| | No. 96 |
Mar 01, 2009, 02:41 PM
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Mar 01, 2009 at 03:26 PM by AZ_RN2B
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life
Let me just tell everyone something here. All I expect is to be treated fairly, just as anyone else in a particular class is treated. Up to this time, that has actually not been my experience. In many of my classes I have been singled out for "special" treatment. I am assuming it is because I'm am an older student. I work hard. I do all my work on time. I spend much of my spare time reading and studying. I also work full time and I'm married and have a family. I currently have a 3.59 GPA - I do not have a grade lower than a B. I have gotten what I've gotten honestly by honest study and hard work, although some have wrongly tried to imply otherwise.
It's not my fault if some younger instructors don't like the fact that I'm an older person and act like they are threatened or scared by it or intimidated by it. I say "grow up and get over it". I will repeat what I said earlier - I pay for an educational product at the public institution I attend. I expect a decent product to be delivered as long as I uphold my part of the contract, which so far I have been. I have never asked or expected anyone to cut me breaks because of my life situation, age, etc. but I've been the object of treatment that I honestly believe was deliberate to try and discourage me and get me to voluntarily quit. Treatment that no one else got. And that is just plain wrong. That's why some of these stories about people doctoring Scantrons and saying things like "Oh well we can't all be astronauts" sort of makes me see red and hits a raw nerve.
| | No. 97 |
Mar 01, 2009, 04:05 PM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life
these are really part of being a student...but you will cherrish it
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Mar 01, 2009, 05:06 PM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life Originally Posted by PCstudent2009 Let me just tell everyone something here. All I expect is to be treated fairly, just as anyone else in a particular class is treated. Up to this time, that has actually not been my experience. In many of my classes I have been singled out for "special" treatment. I am assuming it is because I'm am an older student. I work hard. I do all my work on time. I spend much of my spare time reading and studying. I also work full time and I'm married and have a family. I currently have a 3.59 GPA - I do not have a grade lower than a B. I have gotten what I've gotten honestly by honest study and hard work, although some have wrongly tried to imply otherwise.
It's not my fault if some younger instructors don't like the fact that I'm an older person and act like they are threatened or scared by it or intimidated by it. I say "grow up and get over it". I will repeat what I said earlier - I pay for an educational product at the public institution I attend. I expect a decent product to be delivered as long as I uphold my part of the contract, which so far I have been. I have never asked or expected anyone to cut me breaks because of my life situation, age, etc. but I've been the object of treatment that I honestly believe was deliberate to try and discourage me and get me to voluntarily quit. Treatment that no one else got. And that is just plain wrong. That's why some of these stories about people doctoring Scantrons and saying things like "Oh well we can't all be astronauts" sort of makes me see red and hits a raw nerve.
I was the one who was told, "we can't all be astronauts" by the head of the nursing program at a community college. That was after I had bearly failed a test by .3 of a point. To me, what did that prove? I was only at the very beginning of the nursing program. Besides, I would have had plenty of chances of fail all on my own, instead some of my answers on that test had been erased!!!!
So I wrote up all of my special happenings and took them to the dean of students who was my English professor 10 yrs. prior. His response was, "I don't know anything about nursing, but I will stand by you, but in the end I will have to take her (head of nrsg.) word. This same woman instructed me to close the door after a study session. She told me, "I don't trust you", I asked "what do you mean you don't trust me." Her reply,"I don't trust you giving out meds." I said,"you don't know me and I just had my exit interview with my clinical instructor and she said "if I did anything right, it was giving out meds." And this particular clinical instructor was not easy either. Once she gave me 2 total care pts. No other students even bothered to ask if I needed help as they were wondering the hallway! I finally felt so overwhelmed I left and walked around the corner until I could get ahold of myself. Not a good day! But she also said, "you will make it because of your determination."
After the dean said he couldn't really take up for me I said, "forget it" and left the papers I had written there. And I think it did help the other students, just not me.
I was older too and I don't think some instructors like that.
| | No. 99 |
Mar 03, 2009, 07:42 PM
Re: How My Instructor Affected My Life
We have plenty of instructors like yours. They make us tough. I just hope that the oppressed of today, will not turn out to be the tyrants of tomorrow. ^_^
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