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No. 10
from GilaRN
Old Jan 03, 2009, 12:25 PM

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I appreciate all of the responses. The problem of violence is so complicated. Yes, the US was involved in arming, supporting, and training the pre-curser's to the Taliban. However, pointing the finger and the ultimate blame is a mute point IMHO. The situation is so complex and involves many elements:

You have poor education, a corrupt government, lack of basic services, wide spread poverty, a people who have never known "peace" as we like to define the concept, strong tribal communities, rampant criminal elements, and extremists. Throw all of this into the pot, and you have a mixture of violence. With that, the "typical Afghan" is a dirt poor dude or dudette trying to survive.

Many "western" concepts are simply unknown to this area of the world. I am not sure we could ever hope for a country where a "US like democracy" exists. I think we need to have a realistic view of the situation. Unfortunately, we need to stabilize the chaotic situation of the Taliban resurgence, deal with widespread government corruption, and manage the poverty/education deficiencies if we are to have any hope for this country.

In addition, I wanted to tell a story from the view point of a civilian contractor. I think many people have a false sense of how civilian contractor fit into this conflict. Some people tend to apply the whole "cowboy" concept to all contractors in light of the media frenzy focusing on a very specific area of contractors. In fact, many contractors are not even armed. There are thousands of people from the Philippines and Nepal doing all of the foot work behind many of the large operations in this conflict. They are not armed, live in Spartan conditions, and receive low compensation compared to western standards. Yet, they are the people who make sure the military have food, fuel, and logistical support.

Then, you have people like myself who fill specialized roles. However, I am not involved with any of the fighting and like my colleagues, I try to provide the best medical care possible. I can say that my colleagues are highly qualified and professional providers. Hopefully, you could see the caliber of people that I deal with on a daily basis. In addition, our dealings are multifaceted and multicultural.

Obviously, I have great respect for the military and know they have a very difficult job. The situation is going to become worse, and we will be looking to our nation's military in the days to come.
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No. 11
Old Jan 03, 2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by patrick1rn View Post
Please get your facts right and read a little bit of modern history before you make the comment " we installed the taliban" Remember that the USSR invaded and occupied Afghanistan. The taliban was formed by Pushto people of that country. The intention of the taliban was to unite the people and fight both the USSR and the warlords that have domain in that country. The powerfull become corrupt and hence the taliban as we know it. So no, we did not form the taliban as much as you like to believe that. We did support through arms and money an organization that had good intentions from the beginning to unite and fight for the people of afghanistan.
I know my facts and how and why the Taliban were installed, Patick. Sometimes the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Or not necessarily to good.
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No. 12
from brian
Old Jan 03, 2009, 07:49 PM

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Admin note: Please do not derail this discussion and turn it into political differences. Please keep the discussion related to the article and offer feedback to this well written article.

Thanks

At ease
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No. 13
Old Jan 04, 2009, 03:20 PM

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In relation to the article, Gila, do you ever have any moral/spiritual concerns about working in Afganistan? Do you feel like your work there in some ways contributes to any type of violence?
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No. 14
from GilaRN
Old Jan 04, 2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by upsidedownworld View Post
In relation to the article, Gila, do you ever have any moral/spiritual concerns about working in Afganistan? Do you feel like your work there in some ways contributes to any type of violence?

I am not sure what you are specifically asking? I do not have any moral or spiritual concerns to date. My work is not combat related. True, I may have to take action in the name of self preservation one of these days; however, I have not done anything that keeps me up at night or anything that keeps me from looking in the mirror.
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No. 15
from 451F
Old Jan 04, 2009, 08:54 PM

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Fantastic!
Gila,
Thank you for doing what you do. How do you find a gig like that? I have been looking for ways to identify reputable companies, but word of mouth is the best I've found so far (and my contacts are limited).

William sends.
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No. 16
from GilaRN
Old Jan 05, 2009, 07:31 AM

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It is actually quite competitive, I was really surprised. Honestly, somebody put in a good word for me and I suspect this gave me a significant advantage. You are right about questioning companies. Unfortunately, when money is involved, identification of a reputable company is crucial.
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No. 17
from Andrew, RN
Old Jan 05, 2009, 09:46 PM

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Very moving story...

I was ****** when one hospital I worked at threw away good blood pressure cuffs because they were switching over to a new system. I asked "Why couldn't they donate them to somewhere that needs these?" and was answered with a blank stare by the rep.
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No. 18
from Jiminocala
Old Jan 08, 2009, 07:13 AM

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The “culture of violence” is not a disease and there is no "cure." It is the human condition. The" treatment" that the writer has in mind, but does not come out and say, is the suppression of human initiative and all forms of competition, starting with sports and progressing to the elimination of the free market economy--serfdom for the masses, including you and me. For the elite? Their culture's equivalent of caviar and a nice dacha in the Crimea.

When people perceive that their lives stink, they will be motivated to violence. That is the real parallel between violence in the Mideast and elsewhere. People MUST feel that they have a real chance to better their circumstances. That does not happen with an oligarchical form of government. Freedom works. People hate being serfs, no matter what the Marxists want you to think.

The only real way to decrease the cycle of violence is to see that all people have the freedom of opportunity and the ability to move their lives forward. Is it no wonder that such violence is so prevalent in the Mideast, one of the most repressed and inhospitable areas of the world? Third world dictators cannot keep their people in the dark about the rest of the world as they used to, and when they see others living better, it follows that something or someone is keeping them from opportunities for a better life for themselves and their children.

I won't be a serf. And to see that you and your type do not make me one I will keep my guns, thank you.
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No. 19
from GilaRN
Old Jan 08, 2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiminocala View Post
The “culture of violence” is not a disease and there is no "cure." It is the human condition. The" treatment" that the writer has in mind, but does not come out and say, is the suppression of human initiative and all forms of competition, starting with sports and progressing to the elimination of the free market economy--serfdom for the masses, including you and me. For the elite? Their culture's equivalent of caviar and a nice dacha in the Crimea.

When people perceive that their lives stink, they will be motivated to violence. That is the real parallel between violence in the Mideast and elsewhere. People MUST feel that they have a real chance to better their circumstances. That does not happen with an oligarchical form of government. Freedom works. People hate being serfs, no matter what the Marxists want you to think.

The only real way to decrease the cycle of violence is to see that all people have the freedom of opportunity and the ability to move their lives forward. Is it no wonder that such violence is so prevalent in the Mideast, one of the most repressed and inhospitable areas of the world? Third world dictators cannot keep their people in the dark about the rest of the world as they used to, and when they see others living better, it follows that something or someone is keeping them from opportunities for a better life for themselves and their children.

I won't be a serf. And to see that you and your type do not make me one I will keep my guns, thank you.
What exactly do you mean by "you and your type?" This is not a discussion regarding gun control. In fact, my views on gun ownership are never mentioned in the said article. In addition, where did I say anything about sports or free economy? I am obviously a capitalist supporting free economy, because I am capitalizing on a skill set I obtained from years of military, EMS, and nursing experience. I will admit however, after spending time with all these South Africans, I keen never to watch Cricket again. Not that I advocate eliminating the sport, but come on, a five day test match?

You must understand violence is just a tad more complicated than people wanting a better life. Nor is forcing our way of life down somebody's throat a way to solve the problem. Some people simply do not want the "western" way of life. Additionally, I wanted to compare the violence over here with the violence I have experienced in the USA. You seem to have skipped over that part of my article? My point is that violence is NOT isolated to the Middle East. The USA can in fact be a very violent country. Violence is a concept that effects all cultures and countries.

Additionally, I can still find hope.

This is all IMHO as always.
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