When is it appropriate to share faith at work?: One nurse's story - page 8

As nurses, we wear many hats. To name a few: we are caregivers, providers, assessors, comforters, encouragers, teachers, an ear to listen. Are we to be evangelists or preachers? In my opinion, no... Read More

  1. Visit  leslie :-D profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    If the religion is the same I can understand the boundaries feeling blurred. They should not be. Boundaries are there for a reason. If one wants to be a spiritual counselor that person should follow that path rather than extend nursing to include more non-nursing duties.
    oh gosh, i so agree.
    i too believe it is crossing a professional boundary when nurses do this...
    and seriously wish there were penalties for those who do.
    or, that the BON would consider that professional misconduct.
    the only exception might be working in a faith-based hospital and their p&p encouraged such interchange.
    even then i still feel uncomfortable with a nurse disclosing that type of info to a pt.
    it is just not professional.

    yet, people are going to do what they want to do.
    in some cases it'll be because they don't see anything wrong with it;
    and others, do so out of defiance...sheer defiance.
    this isn't specific to religion, i am saying this in the most general sense.

    aky, great point about everything that is dumped on us nurses.

    leslie
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  2. Visit  tnbutterfly profile page
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    I am a nurse.......a parish nurse who works with all ages in various settings, in the hospital, the church, as well as throughout the community. It is a big part of my job to address the spiritual and physical needs of the patient, family.....and staff. I feel very fortunate to work in a hospital that promotes the importance of and encourages meeting spiritual needs. In fact I am paid to do this. And no, I do not work for a church sponsored hospital but a community hospital........a very large healthcare system.

    I do pray with almost every patient that I visit, whether it be in the hospital, nursing home, hospice, clinic, or home. Many times the prayer is initiated by the patient, but not always. Most of these patients know who I am and what I do. We do have in depth discussions about our faith and scripture. I feel blessed that I can "minister" to them in this most intimate way during very difficult times. Sometimes, what the patients need cannot be addressed by medicine but by the words of the Lord.

    And no, I am not a minister. But I go into a situation with different eyes than that of a minister, doctor or nurse. It is my job to help bridge the gap between the healthcare system and the church. I love my job because I am still a nurse but am able to freely address all the needs of the patient.....body, mind, and soul. I see these people before they are sick.....I know their families. We have already formed a relationship and they trust me to explain medical issues as well as help them make difficult decisions about themselves or their loved ones.

    This is one nurse that definitely thinks faith has a place at the bedside as long as the patient is in agreement.
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  3. Visit  dt70 profile page
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    Quote from That Guy
    I dont share with my pts because I dont believe in religion. I hate when people ask me to pray because I just stand there looking like a doofus. But if it works for the pt/nurse whatever, I think it is great.
    Do non religious people take better care of their bodies and take less risks thinking when you die there's nothing afterwards?
    I know how you feel. I feel the same way when having to watch sports tv at family gatherings.
    I played sports growing up, but watching other people play sports feels like punishment.
  4. Visit  leslie :-D profile page
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    Quote from tnbutterfly
    This is one nurse that definitely thinks faith has a place at the bedside as long as the patient is in agreement.
    well yes...the specialty of parish nursing is the only specialty of our profession that would be conducive to addressing faith-based needs of a patient.

    here are a couple of links for the readers, to learn the connection betw community and church.

    Functions of the Parish Nurse Role
    Functions of the Parish Nurse Role

    Starting a Parish Nurse Program (yes, the info contained herein is relevant, lol)
    www.indianaparishnurses.org/starting.html

    so yes, i can see why it'd be obvious that a parish nurse would be the exception to religious interaction with the pt.
    fsu, this might be the perfect specialty for you to work in.
    thanks tnbutterfly, for the reminder.

    leslie
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  5. Visit  tnbutterfly profile page
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    Thanks for the links, Leslie.

    One can go to the Parish Nursing forum here at allnurses to learn more about Parish Nursing as well.
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  6. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    I agree tn.....for that is the Parish nurses goal....
    What is Parish nursing? Parish Nursing is a specialized practice of professional nursing, holds the spiritual dimension to be central to practice. A parish nurse focuses on the promotion of health within the context of the values, beliefs and practices of a faith community
    FSU this would be something that might interest you!
  7. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    tn, thank you for reminding me about parish nursing. Duh!, I used to do a grief group with a parish nurse. Old age, my only excuse.
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  8. Visit  tnbutterfly profile page
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    Quote from Esme12
    FSU this would be something that might interest you!
    This might be a good thing for FSU to pursue in the future. However, as with many nursing specialties, one must have several years of nursing experience before becoming a parish nurse.
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  9. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from tnbutterfly
    This might be a good thing for FSU to pursue in the future. However, as with many nursing specialties, one must have several years of nursing experience before becoming a parish nurse.
    absolutely....
  10. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    So, if you overheard a fellow staff member talking about things concerning the Bible, you would:

    ask them to discontinue this behavior or further disciplinary measures will be take. IN most facilities this will cost you your job...period.

    I politely ask,

    1) would you take these actions because of "hopsital" policy or your own "personal" policy and,

    2) is it like this at "most" facilities because of "their" policy, or a nurse managers, own "personal" policy or opinion?


    I'm not certain if certain areas of the hospital have differing policy statements concerning "conversations" with the patients....

    just curious.


    Thanks.
    Hospital policy only my personal views do not enter my professional decisions.

    I do not have an interest in employees, patients, co-workers private lives....as long as it is legal. I have worked with Many people of different religious spiritual beliefs and I find discussing them over coffee at break fascinating. I love learning what cultural differences and similarities we all share. It just isn't always appropriate to share at the bedside.

    Look over the years I have been burnt by the most simplest of things....you just really don't know mankind when they are ill. These are just cautionary word of how to navigate the mine field
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  11. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    FSU, How would you feel?

    How would you respond if a group of Muslim nurses wearing hajib were speaking about their religion and it was not compatible with your knowledge of Christianity? Would you be as quick to defend their position? (Post 89)
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  12. Visit  nursefrances profile page
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    Quote from Esme12

    Look over the years I have been burnt by the most simplest of things....you just really don't know mankind when they are ill. These are just cautionary word of how to navigate the mine field
    I totally agree. Money is another issue I never go into with a patient. A patient once said to me "Can you do me favor? Here are my car keys. Can you go into my car and get the money that is in the ashtray and bring it to me?" I wouldn't touch THAT situation with a ten foot pole.

    This morning I was thinking of a typical conversation I have had with Christian patients.
    Patient (smiling): "Are you a Christian?"
    Me (smile back): "Yes, I am"
    Patient: "He is good, isn't He?"
    Me: "Yes, He is. He has always been there when I need Him"

    That's about the jist of it. Or a patient may start that way and ask for prayer because they are scared, going into surgery, etc. I never have big philosophical discussion. It is usually short and sweet like the above example. Like we are talking about an old friend.
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  13. Visit  Glycerine82 profile page
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    I just had surgery and my Doctor told me he prays before all his surgeries and asked me to pray, too. I gladly obliged. I said "You pray for me and I'll pray for you" Now, I am a Christian and to me this was totally appropriate, and welcomed. I thought it was kinda cool, actually. Just thought I'd share. I also live in the "bible belt". I come from the northeast, where this kind of thing would be very taboo, but here it is generally accepted I find.
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