When is it appropriate to share faith at work?: One nurse's story - page 8

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As nurses, we wear many hats. To name a few: we are caregivers, providers, assessors, comforters, encouragers, teachers, an ear to listen. Are we to be evangelists or preachers? In my opinion, no and....yes. I believe that it is... Read More


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    Quote from leslie :-D
    still, i fully agree with your perspective...that religion has nothing to do with the glow...the light.
    rather, i've seen so many people that are joyous...
    that they have the glow/light of love, of peace, of contentment within their souls.
    this is why that type of Christian banter doesn't offend me...
    I agree, "Religion" is such an ugly label.

    The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,”[a] made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

    Just out of curiosity, what "motive" would the apostle Paul have for writing a verse such as this? And he has countless others like this too, since we penned half of the New Testament. If Jesus Christ is really not God, Paul and all the other disciples of Christ, must have been some really wacked out loonies! Don't ya think?
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    I agree, "Religion" is such an ugly label.

    The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,”[a] made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

    Just out of curiosity, what "motive" would the apostle Paul have for writing a verse such as this? And he has countless others like this too, since we penned half of the New Testament. If Jesus Christ is really not God, Paul and all the other disciples of Christ, must have been some really wacked out loonies! Don't ya think?
    There are many who might argue that Paul was a brick or two short. There are many who see him as a zealot. This by definition includes the possibility of a fanatic. He was tasked with spreading churches through many areas. A good teacher shares the material. A great teacher uses methods that hold the interest and make for good conversation.
    zeal·ot (zlt)n.1. a. One who is zealous, especially excessively so.
    b. A fanatically committed person.

    2. Zealot A member of a Jewish movement of the first century a.d. that fought against Roman rule in Palestine as incompatible with strict monotheism.

    This is not to put Paul down. He is not my favorite disciple, but then I think much of what we read by him was intended for a specific audience and we are not it.

    I do agree with the conceptual things. I just think his presentation was for an audience that no longer exists. That does not mean that I do not believe in Christ as the Son of God. It means I believe Paul as a human with human frailties. To say that his words are God's words is a stretch for me. Christ shared God's word. The rest of them shared their interpretation of Christ's presentation.

    In a similar way we see the entire issue of "gay marriage" presented from a religious POV for those who are against it. The issue is not who is having sex, it is about equal rights for all who wish to be joined in marriage, a state definition.

    You deny a part of our citizenry the opportunity to have equal rights because you do not think that a Christian bible says it is OK. What you are objecting to is a wedding, a ceremony by a religious person to join two as one. The state definition is that a legally binding contract has been signed and witnessed that two people have all the rights and privileges of all married people.

    If you are trying to deny this I can only think it is because of prejudice and judgmental thinking. A same sex marriage does nothing to harm you and it might even have some take a more close look at their own different sex marriages.
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    Quote from windsurfer8
    I am a nurse and have been for 8 years. I know this..if I am ever a patient and nurse utters one word about god, allah, buddha, or Santee Claus when I am a patient, I will tell them to leave my room immediately and would write them up before they were out of the room.
    I second this!!! I don't think nurses have any buisness talking religion at work. Next time I'm a patient I want a nurse who is grounded in reality and knows her stuff. Not some nurse who's up in the clouds talking to some invisible man in the sky
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    Come around from where? I've thought this all along.

    The only light I know of is this:

    Please don't get upset from this post. You say I've "come around", but from where? That is implying that my statements have somehow contradicted themselves. I never once said I would be telling any patient they are doomed to God's wrath. What I said was that if a Christian patient asked me about hell or God's wrath, I would politely tell them no need to worry..."you're a believer and will therefore not appointed to God's wrath".

    Hey, don't get mad at me. The Bible says it! In my opinion, it's THE truth. You feel otherwise. I'm cool with that.
    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    And I too, would imagine that this would bring a lot of reassurance to these people as death draws near.

    And, I would, in the most "humbled" manner, reassure them with these wonderful Words:

    John 3:16
    16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    And finally, this...

    2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
    This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.
    before i continue, why do you presume we may get "mad" at your selected scripture?
    i ask that most sincerely.
    speaking for myself, i do not get the least bit upset because the words are meaningless to me.
    i am quite secure in my beliefs, so there is absolutely no reason for me to get "mad".

    as you can see, you indeed contradicted yourself...
    between the words you initially stated you would share with a dying pt and your subsequent post, citing its insensitivity.
    do you not remember what you wrote?

    leslie
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    I agree, "Religion" is such an ugly label.

    The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,”[a] made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

    Just out of curiosity, what "motive" would the apostle Paul have for writing a verse such as this? And he has countless others like this too, since we penned half of the New Testament. If Jesus Christ is really not God, Paul and all the other disciples of Christ, must have been some really wacked out loonies! Don't ya think?
    how come you're quoting "motives", inferring that i must have used this word? (i didn't.)

    to answer your question, i believe in God...a divine source, supreme spirit, all that is...however one chooses to address this being.
    i don't believe in Jesus as the son of Him.
    my therapist seems to think that perhaps Jesus was created as a more credible and accessible source, since realistically, many would struggle in believing in someone/something they couldn't see.
    *shrugs*...i don't know.
    i do believe there was a Jesus...maybe a prophetic sage.
    whatever His role, it is just not resonating with me that He was the Son of God.
    and it further raises my hackles when i am told i MUST believe that or i'm going to hell.
    nah.
    God doesn't work like that.
    He gave us free will.
    it is up to us to decide and trust in a divine, supreme energy that has indirect but total control over our lives.
    IF there is some sort of ramification for not believing, i believe it is inflicted by ourselves, not God.
    and only when we see the 'light', will be ascend in our spirituality.
    i could write a book on this, lol, but these are my most basic of beliefs.

    i don't know paul or anyone else in the bible.
    so to reference different scripture to me, falls on deaf ears.
    nothing personal...and God understands.

    leslie
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    Quote from leslie :-D
    before i continue, why do you presume we may get "mad" at your selected scripture?
    i ask that most sincerely.
    speaking for myself, i do not get the least bit upset because the words are meaningless to me.
    i am quite secure in my beliefs, so there is absolutely no reason for me to get "mad".

    as you can see, you indeed contradicted yourself...
    between the words you initially stated you would share with a dying pt and your subsequent post, citing its insensitivity.
    do you not remember what you wrote?

    leslie
    Because you've gotten upset by some of my comments. I truly didn't intend that. Since I do believe the Bible to be "the" Truth, I like to use it in backing up my thinking. That's all. And if someone is a Muslim and wanted to use the Quran to back up their thinking...more power to them! Or quotes from the Buddha...etc.

    I do remember what I wrote. There's simply, no contradiction. There would only be a contradiction if 1) the dying patient was a non-believer, which I stated they would in fact be a "Christian", or 2) the verse in Thessalonians tells them (a believer) they will experience God's wrath, which it doesn't, because the verse says, "this includes you, because you have believed our testimony to you". The "includes" simply means to be "glorified" with the Lord Jesus.

    I know this intrepretation doesn't mean much to you, but it's necessary to prove that my statement in no way, shape or form, contradicts itself. You would have to prove 1 and 2 above. I say this in a peaceful manner, but it just simply does not. I would NEVER tell a dying patient they will experience God's wrath.


    "These people" in my post, refers to "Christian" patients.

    Of course, I'm fully aware of the consequences of "assuming" a patient is a "believer". BTW, the far, far, majority of "Christians" do believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

    Thank you.
    Last edit by FSUNurse2b on May 14, '13
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    Quote from leslie :-D
    how come you're quoting "motives", inferring that i must have used this word? (i didn't.)

    to answer your question, i believe in God...a divine source, supreme spirit, all that is...however one chooses to address this being.
    i don't believe in Jesus as the son of Him.
    my therapist seems to think that perhaps Jesus was created as a more credible and accessible source, since realistically, many would struggle in believing in someone/something they couldn't see.
    *shrugs*...i don't know.
    i do believe there was a Jesus...maybe a prophetic sage.
    whatever His role, it is just not resonating with me that He was the Son of God.
    and it further raises my hackles when i am told i MUST believe that or i'm going to hell.
    nah.
    God doesn't work like that.
    He gave us free will.
    it is up to us to decide and trust in a divine, supreme energy that has indirect but total control over our lives.
    IF there is some sort of ramification for not believing, i believe it is inflicted by ourselves, not God.
    and only when we see the 'light', will be ascend in our spirituality.
    i could write a book on this, lol, but these are my most basic of beliefs.

    i don't know paul or anyone else in the bible.
    so to reference different scripture to me, falls on deaf ears.
    nothing personal...and God understands.

    leslie
    Duly noted.
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    I do remember what I wrote. There's simply, no contradiction. There would only be a contradiction if 1) the dying patient was a non-believer, which I stated they would in fact be a "Christian", or 2) the verse in Thessalonians tells them (a believer) they will experience God's wrath, which it doesn't, because the verse says, "this includes you, because you have believed our testimony to you". The "includes" simply means to be "glorified" with the Lord Jesus.
    ok, we are clearly not communicating, or, i am thick as poop...
    because for the life of me, i am not understanding how you can definitively deny a contradiction.
    again, a pt is in spiritual crisis, i.e., they are UNSURE if they are truly Christian or not.
    and so, the aforementioned would fit your first criteria of "the dying patient was a non-believer"...
    because even if they had been a practicing Christian their entire lives, lots of beliefs can and do change when dying.
    to quote 2 thessalonians 1:7-10 to a distressed, dying pt would be devastating.
    if you cannot understand that, there is nothing more i can say.

    and yes, you are probably correct in that majority of Christians believe Jesus is son of God.
    i'm not sure what your point is, but i will concede to that.
    i have cared for several Christians who were at peace.
    they talked about going home to Jesus, they had the 'glow' and were clearly firm in their faith.
    it is when there is absolutely no spiritual confusion and when the pt openly talks about their religion with joy, then that would be the only time when a nurse could respond in same.
    but even then, i personally do not believe in that.
    i feel it crosses professional boundaries but everyone feels differently.

    i do believe i've said all i can on this matter.
    if you still believe there is nothing wrong with sharing thessalonian's passage to a pt in spiritual crisis, then i will pray you don't devastate them.
    it is out of my hands.

    take care.

    leslie
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    I don't have to "quote" scripture, to relay a comforting message to a fellow Christian patient, that as a believer, they have eternal life and therefore, will not be appointed to God's wrath.

    If you heard a nurse having a discussion, such as this, to a fellow Christian patient and they (the patient) initiated the conversation, would you report that nurse or argue in "favor" of their termination?
    Depending on the situation...but for the most part....yes. I am Byzantine catholic and I do not pray the Lords prayer, Hail Mary or Act of Contrition to catholic patients. I will contact their clergy or the hospital clergy to counsel the patient. You will find even other "fellow Christians" not so tolerant during illness.....just the voice of experience. Take it or leave it.

    Your belief and quoting scripture does not belong in the work place and in certainly 99% of the time will NOT belong at the bedside....unless of course you work at a fundamentalist facility with that as their Credo, mission statement, and policy.

    If you were under my supervision...in most situations you would be counseled on the inappropriateness and professionalism of your demeanor/behavior and would be asked to discontinue this behavior or further disciplinary measures will be taken. IN most facilities this will cost you your job...period.

    Whether you choose to believe/follow this advice is solely up to you. Whether or not they are Christian it is still NOT your job to counsel them or share scripture...it really is that simple.

    You might find your experience once you actually begin a program or when you graduate different.....I am simply trying to give you insight into your career change.

    I wish you the best.
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    It might very well depend on the hospital one works in. My wife tells me she has time, many of nights, to converse with patients.
    Converse, yes; proselytize, never.
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